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There is a major lesson in this FPV drone attack for AFV designers.

And AFV without an active protection system (APS) is horribly vulnerable to a $600 indirect fire precision weapon it cannot see the operator of.

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And an APS isn't a magic shield.

It is a two round from any direction "saving throw" that weighs 2.2 tons and runs to seven figures in cost.

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If I'm saving a $5 million top of the line M1A2 from a $100,000 fire and forget Javelin class missile.

That is a cost trade off that works.

For a $600 FPV drone, an "Over the Hill RPG," not so much.

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You see, we are at the beginning of the FPV drone development curve while APS are a 20 year and counting answer to the older threat of a top of the line $100K fire and forget ATGM.

You can buy 166 FPV drones for the cost of a single Javelin.

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Yes, it's going to cost more to get thermal sights on an FPV.

I can get a rifle scope sized uncooled thermal sight from Amazon -dot- com for $999.

amazon.com/AGM-Global-Vis…
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So we are talking a $2,500 all weather anti-tank FPV in the next couple of years at the outside and more like 2 months at the rate of change we are seeing in the Russo-Ukrainian War.

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The idea of having a drone operator for a tank in another vehicle a terrain feature back gets shot in the head if every vehicle has to have a seven figure APS.

Adding a Bradley sized drone control vehicle sporting an APS to support every Abrams tank platoon is a false economy
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It would be far better to replace the current Abrams ammo load out with an 38 shell autoloader & keep the loader as a drone and drone defense electronic warfare operator in each M1A2.

It would provide redundancy & the ability for a tank to launch & control its own Drone CAP.
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In an age of four figure cost thermal FPV's, tanks are going to need an outer layer of defensive drones immediately overhead that they control to provide a layered defense like aircraft carriers do today.

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The YouTuber Matsimus goes into the implications of grenade dropping small drones and what BAE Systems is doing with the CV90 fighting vehicle to counter the small drone threat.

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The small drone threat is going to require anti-small drone defenses on every fighting vehicle, and I am saying this for a good reason.

One of the interesting effects of being a "Twitter influencer" is getting Drone tech firms advertise to you about their digital

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...terrain/bandwidth coverage prediction software detailing how drone R/F links can be maintained through jamming via using terrain obstacles.

Urban and other close terrain will be the norm and not the exception in fighting with AFV's.

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"One terrain feature back" is an obsolete concept when small drones have digital maps to maneuver to avoid line of sight to EW & drone operators that are supposed to protect the overhead space of a crewed tank, crewed AFV or infantry squad.

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Jun 11
AFU is warning Ukrainian civilians of Kakhovka dam breach spread mines.

"Sappers warned about the danger of "Lepetok" mines against the backdrop of the destruction of the Kakhovskaya HPP: They can be spread by water Джерело:"
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censor.net/ua/n3423896
censor.net/ua/news/342389…
"Undermining of the Kakhovskaya HPP: the flood carries anti-personnel, anti-landing and anti-tank mines, as well as a lot of ammunition, into the Black Sea - OK "Piv'd" Джерело:
censor.net/ua/n3423952"
censor.net/ua/news/342395…
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"In the Kherson region, enemy warehouses are rapidly destroyed by "big water" - mines are floating (video)"
unian.ua/war/na-hersons…
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Jun 11
Consider for a moment Ukraine has trained 10,000 drone operators.

Hundreds of them are doing this every day, remotely piloting FPV drones into Russian vehicles & soldiers.

This is the reality of 21st century drone airpower.

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How relevant is an F-35 fighter firing an $1 million AIM-120 or $400K AIM-9X missile to countering this aerial capability/threat?

As far as I can see, it is negative value added.

Every dollar spent on an F-35 is a dollar not spend on obtaining/counting FPV airpower.

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This is what a Ukrainian FPV pilot looks like.

You can train high hundreds to thousands for the budget to train a single F-35 pilot.

And FPV racing drone enthusiasts won't need any training at all.
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Jun 11
This @sambendett Russian translation 🧵underlines the problems Russian soldiers & volunteers are having with the Russian military procurement system in fielding FPV drones.

The DIY racing drones turned precision guided munitions live in the blind spot of every
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...military procurement system in the world.

The powers that be in every such military procurement institution are the problem, not the solution, to both introducing and countering the disruptive innovation that drone technology represents to the Western way of war.

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Sadly, the level of deep institutional dysfunction that now inhabits military procurement institutions in the West will only be begin to be addressed - not fixed - after a very public major military defeat.

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Jun 11
This:

“ a huge drone flew into the combat vehicle, the use of which was not previously recorded .”

...sounds like an anti-radiation seeker drone like an Israeli Harpy or Hero drone or it's Azeri/Turkish knock offs.

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This is the Azeri version of the Hero loitering drone.

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And this link shows what the Harpy looks like.

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iai.co.il/p/harpy
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Jun 11
While many have focused on the environmental and military implications of the destruction of the the Kakhovka dam.

There is another implication most have not faced.

Unexploded mines 🧵

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The typical metal can landmines you are seeing below tend to float on water.

The Kakhovka dam flash flood ripped the RuAF Dnipro river bank minefields apart with turbulence, dislodging those mines due to buoyancy.

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So aside from flotsam and dead Russian troops washing up on Dnipro river & Black Sea beaches, tens of thousands of landmines will as well.

We can expect that floating RuAF landmines will be a feature of Black Sea beaches for years to come.

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Jun 10
Very wide front, shallow penetration.🤨🤔

It looks like Ukraine is "playing the attrition card" in trying to spread out the Russian reserves over a wide area within drone directed artillery range.

Youtube channels are reporting heavy AFU use of 155mm

Drone/Attrition War🧵
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...delivered scatterable mines to pin RuAF mobile counter-attack forces in place inside Ukraine's artillery fan, to get them worked over by drone directed shelling.

This points out the fact drone directed artillery is now a very lethal tank killer.

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@noclador talks to this thought in this excellent thread, particularly how the lack of gun based air defense, to prevent small DJI class artillery observation drones from doing their thing, caused AFU vehicle casualties.⬇️

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