people write entire books about the salem witch trials without explaining why someone would point blank tell people they were a witch traveling to black sabbaths and hanging with demons
men confessed to being werewolves. they literally were like “i am actually a werewolf”.
reflection: many cultures have some form of what we call shamanism wherein people use psychoactive plants to interact with spirits and do what they call magic, and such things
question: what was this in western culture?
the answer when i return from reading a book to a tiny man
alright sorry to keep the crew waiting. it was requested that i read this text. fitting, as it also takes place in new england.
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to keep it brief, consider that the conventional narrative of the salem witch trials fits very well into modern narratives: religion bad, people in the past are stupid, large groups of people are often prone to total hysteria - its very easy to accept and fits in perfectly.
to answer the above question, a missing piece of most people’s understanding of western cultural archetypes, in my opinion, is that western culture has an indigenous form of shamanism. its embodied in the witch. the witch is basically the shaman of europe, if you think about it.
if “witch” were a gender neutral term, this would be more obvious. but its not, so, in my opinion, this is rarely fully realized. theres a lot we could go into there but lets keep it moving
many parts of that archetype such as potions, charms, etc., have a real historical aspect
that real historical aspect, and this whole tale, dovetails with what psychoactive substances were available to people in europe, and later, colonial america.
last piece of hard info is between two classes of drugs: psychedelics and deliriants / dissociatives.
not looking up which D term im thinking of, sorry. those days are behind me.
the relevant distinction here is that on psychedelics you almost always know youre on drugs.
on deliriants, you do not. thats a big difference for ethnographic study purposes. example:
someone takes mushrooms. they see their blanket patterns moving. 99% of the time, they are aware that this is a hallucination.
on a deliriant, if you are in your closet hallucinating that you are at 7/11, you actually think you are at 7/11.
okay. so, whats the point.
the point is that deliriants, what i would call solanaceous plants like… datura, henbane, belladonna… etc., were available to there people (western culture) (wypipo) (and beyond but, we’re not talking about that)
so, thats the missing piece. people were using those plants
but
it goes beyond that, because apparently (how you explain that apparently is going to depend on your metaphysics), the experience isnt random. it has certain patterns and archetypes, such as: flying, shadow people, going to dark “events”, basically all the “witch stuff”.
so, people were making ointments out of these plants and using them and hallucinating that they were doing witch stuff (flying around, meeting demons, etc). however, the crucial distinction is that they were not aware that this was a drug experience. they didnt know that.
from their point of view, they’d put the ointment on in a barn, then fly out of the barn, and go on a journey.
in “real life” they would just pass out on the floor of the barn.
thats why they told people they were witches doing that stuff. they actually thought that they were.
this is documented in a book called ‘hallucinogens and shamanism’ by michael harner, which is mostly about ayahuasca, but has one chapter on… this (in the middle).
lets look at some primary sources
this was written in the late 1600s. here its described as an oil, not an ointment:
lady alice kyteler in 1324 also describes an ointment. we’ll get to some more solid examples, but you can see its at least very old
in case you cant understand, this is saying she sat on a staff - like you see witches sitting on a broom. they sat on objects like that:
sitting on a staff (or broom, or rod) with your feet off the ground confers a feeling of levity and weightlessness, which facilitates the (drug) experience (ie you feel like youre flying or riding something).
theres also another non PG-13 reason. ointment, absorbed quickly… k.
alright lets just cut to the chase. theres a lot of examples of the staff or them sitting in baskets or things like that.
this guy in the 1690s just lays it out.
lets note that this is a firsthand account that does not fit any conventional understanding of this phenomenon:
this woman tells the priest she is a witch and travels at night. she isnt tortured or falsely accused and sets out to prove it to the priest, who watches her attempt to do it:
if you only read one read this one.
in 1545, the physician to pope julius the third describes the ointment and its effects after a couple was arrested for witchcraft
(very notable ending)
okay this is already kind of long so i will extremely briefly explicate the material reality of lycanthropy, which is the proper term for werewolfism.
for a variety of reasons, you can speculate, the effects can be different for men and women and tend to cluster on either end.
although men had the “witch experience” (flying, black sabbath), more often men had the experience of transforming into animals like wolves
aside from humor thats part of why i selected a few with sex above. kind of makes sense men would have a more violent type of hallucination
1634
what is not explicated here is “the girdle”. as women would do things to heighten the sensation of flying, men would wear animal pelts in places where their limbs touched their torso (or places like that) so theyd feel the fur while moving and facilitate the hallucination:
as promised above here is an example (1602) of a man imprisoned who professes to actually have the ability to become a wolf but says he cant do it without the ointment:
last note, in 1521 a guy in france confessed to the church (like in a court) that he actually killed and ate people while he was a wolf (oops)
as you never know who is reading what you write online, i will say two things. a) obviously i would say it is very logical to assume that there is some metaphysical or spiritual aspect at play here, whether they are “pure hallucinations”, or not, or some middle ground.
b) i suppose its relevant, i have personally seen and handled ointments that are like these or that are recreations of these.
the plants described here are actually super dangerous - like, if you cut yourself while on them, you wont know you cut yourself. its at “that level” so, there is no safe way to use them in any way. they kill people. just thought id mention that.
real religion history hours
thanks for reading my thread
threads like this often leave my usual orbit (thanks), so if we have not met, i often deal with atypical american / christian religion topics. here is: my dog and calvinism, or another new england file (thread below)
im also releasing a book late november / early december
@DanielSWise someone robs a bank. if you explain why they did that, its interpreted as you defending them. people have careers - and people that dedicate their lives to studying things like witchcraft or psychedelics academically are already predisposed to being sympathetic to those things.
@DanielSWise theres nothing wrong with that in and of itself, i guess, but flip it onto yourself. discard all the accounts i posted as pure fabrications. why the consistent specific details combined with specific plants that actually induce these types of hallucinations?
@DanielSWise because people actually were using the plants in that way. thats the only explanation.
so then youd have to say that the existence of all that played no role in the historical situation. also implausible. thats all im asserting: theres a material reality people are ignorant of.
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the integration of AI and childhood education will progress unhindered unless there is a compelling, easily explainable, and intuitive reason for it to be hindered. below is an extreme example - a fully AI school, but this will be integrated into normal schools.
unless there is a competing model that fully bars its integration. right now it's very easy for us to be online and laugh about this or dismiss it as openly ridiculous, but as the tech advances and becomes normalized, this will not not be enough to stop it. there's no "reason".
concerns about glitches in the tech will eventually dissipate or be confined or solved somehow, and you're going to left standing there while every classroom or school district has an AI component that has replaced some level of normal education.
most people have no idea how psychoactive alkaloids work. why would they? i love coffee. look at this chart: if you drink coffee, after 500 minutes, the caffeine is still there. many people experience this feeling as anxiety. theyd never connect it to a cup of coffee 10 hours ago
ingesting substances can be modeled with an attack, decay, sustain, release model. each of these phases feels different. this is true for everything from psychedelics to caffeine. my contention is that many people experience the sustain and release period here as ambient stress:
they drink coffee. the attack period is what they want, thats good. the decay is fine. the sustain is way longer than they think. they “forget” about the coffee, but are “coming down” off it for hours. they look for an explanation for this feeling and never make the connection.
along the way in my research, people say there are journals found after mens deaths where they describe successfully turning metals into gold, and then mostly using the money to lay low, live comfortably, and give to charity. this has probably happened independently several times
the issue with alchemy at the time, at least in europe, was the procuring materials, equipment, hiding it, and the expense and time involved in inevitable failures. however once you had success (my opinion) you had no reason to reveal it. it would make you a type of slave.
in ‘refiner’s fire’ the author puts forth a model of a type of hermetic folk culture native to parts of europe and places descended from england - this involving alchemy, counterfeiting, and something like the celestial arts - basically magic, the stars, looking into stones, etc.
a large component of new age is a kind of neo-shamanism. this centers around connection to ancestors, or the land your ancestors came from. it also centers around alternative forms of healing, often via plants. easy to run the numbers on how this is presently politically parsed.
average new age person (who wouldnt identify this way obviously) is skeptical of institutions (often specific things like banking, media), government, normal medicine, historical narratives - “new age” itself could easily, perhaps best, be modeled a type of meta-conspiracy theory
it would be essentially impossible to be “new age” or anything downstream of it without also being open to what we call conspiracy theories. this excludes them from most forms of totally acceptable social or political views at this time, often to their own confusion (no offense).
recently, i was discussing with a friend if children's general aversion to killing animals was innate, or a modern phenomenon. his response was that it's completely modern: in fact, it's intentionally implanted as a social control mechanism.
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if you distance people from the process of obtaining their food, which entails slaughter, it's easier to control them.
obviously, i have no way of knowing if this is true, but i find this interesting because: i have it. despite my ideology, i have the aversion and always have.
he's showing me pictures on his phone of him butchering a pig: all the organs, the skin, everything. i have no problem with this: actually, i think it's cool, and eat more meat than the average person. but i still feel the slight spiritual recoil. was it spontaneously generated?
one noticeable aspect of older media is that to “be political” for normal people usually just meant adopting a particular niche cause, something like “save tigers”, and to be have the now common level of awareness about day to day politicians and events made you a politics junkie
there was a time within recent memory where being the “political friend” just meant that you thought people shouldnt throw plastic into the ocean. that was it.
‘jesus camp’ (the movie) was only released in 2006. notably in one segment a radio host, who is talking about politicized evangelical christians, says “these people aren’t politicos - they’re your friends and neighbors”. the idea of them “being political” was itself a novelty.