Thread by @ncdave4life

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist In any given year, some places have poor crops & others have excellent crops. Cherry-picking ONE place which had a few poor crop years and blaming GLOBAL warming is not science, it's superstition.
ourworldindata.org/crop-yields

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist ≥1500 ppmv CO2 is optimal for most crops. That's why commercial greenhouses use CO2 generators to raise daytime CO2 concentration to about that level. They go to that expense because elevated CO2 (eCO2) makes crops MUCH healthier and more productive.
google.com/search?q=CO2+g…

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist Then there's the "nutrition scare." The fact it is nonsense should be obvious to you, if you think about the fact that crops grown in commercial greenhouses at 1500 ppmv are as nutritious as crops grown outdoors with only 30% as much CO2.

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist I had a conversation on Quora about this myth, with the myth's leading proponent, Irakli Loladze. (As you might guess, he's not an agronomist!) You may read it here:
sealevel.info/Is_Irakli_Lola…

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist Rice & wheat are C3 crops, and all C3 crops benefit greatly from eCO2.

With inadequate soil nitrogen, higher yields cause grains to have lower levels (but not lower total quantities!) of protein. Of course, rice is not grown for protein.

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist But legumes ARE grown for protein, and they fix their own nitrogen. So you can't contrive inadequate nitrogen fertilization scenarios, to lower protein levels. They benefit dramatically from eCO2:

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist Thousands of studies have measured the benefits of eCO2 for crops. Every major crop and most minor ones have been tested, by many different researchers.

Today's higher CO2 levels have increased crop yields by an average of ≈20%, already.

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist If we didn't have that increased productivity, we could approximately make up the deficit by putting ALL of the world's rainforests, both tropical and temperate, to agricultural use.

Is that what you want?

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist It amazes me how many climate scientists seem to be completely unfamiliar with the large body of published research by agronomists, in this area.

The benefits of eCO2 are not a new discovery, either. They've been known to science for over a century.
sealevel.info/ScientificAmer…

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist Most crops are C3; they benefit most from eCO2. Some crops are C4, which generally benefit less. But even C4 crops benefit greatly from eCO2 when under drought stress, and the 2 most important C4 crops, corn & sugarcane, both benefit greatly from eCO2 even when not in drought.

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist You cannot name any major crop which has not been demonstrated to benefit considerably from eCO2, under at least some common circumstances. ALL fruits, ALL vegetables, ALL major grains benefit.

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist The benefits are especially great for crops which are under drought stress, because eCO2 makes plants more water-efficient, by improving stomatal conductance relative to transpiration. E.g.:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26929390

@PolAnimalAus @JoeTheAtheist @CymaticWave @KCTaz @TheDisproof @swcrisis @Jamz129 @Ceist8 @ZombiePiano @HouOilman @horrdorr @AOECOIN @insane_voice @Bananenrijperij @Schtickery @glinch72 @OscarsWild1 @AtomsksSanakan @ClimateDepot @EthonRaptor @ClimatePoet @JonOsterman_X @Gladfly1 @maya_phd @Kenneth72712993 @HVACPerformance @heisenburgal2o3 @eloarefab @GillesnFio @DawnTJ90 @FrankWi74044551 @DonWils13730132 @Achilles_1985 @ROosten @Tokyo_Tom @stevethib @Albert_Redstone @WadeKendall4 @JsharkJill @NikolovScience @tracemetalclean @PierreTherrie14 @Tangomitteckel @foresaken1 @Vieux_Rhone @dvibrationz @pinangodan @FactFascist The bottom line is if crops have inadequate nutrients, you can CONTRIVE circumstances under which greater yields causes lower levels (but not lower total quantities!) of various nutrients. But, in the real world, eCO2 is very beneficial for nearly all crops, and harmful to none.