Thread by @ncdave4life

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 1/13. Sean wrote, "Tons of plants don't benefit from increase[d] CO2… wheat is one." (& cited Bloom 2010)

Completely wrong! You didn't read the paper, did you?

I ALREADY showed you that wheat benefits dramatically from eCO2. Did you overlook this tweet?

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 2/13. Bloom 2010 says, "atmospheric CO2 enrichment does not stimulate the growth of wheat plants receiving NO3⁻ as a sole N source to the same extent as those receiving NH4⁺"

It does NOT say wheat (or any other crop) fails to benefit from eCO2.

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 3/13. Instead, Bloom reports that with elevated CO2 the effectiveness of different forms of nitrogen fertilization varies. To understand the significance of that, you should learn about different forms of N fertilization, e.g., here:

greenhouse.cornell.edu/crops/factshee…

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 4/13. Bloom 2010 also says for some C3 crops the benefits of eCO2 are greatest when the plants are young ("as much as 35% in most plants," they say), but for some the benefits decrease as plants age ("CO2 acclimation").

They found NO plants for which eCO2 wasn't beneficial.

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 5/13. Wheat is a C3 crop, so it benefits dramatically from additional CO2 under nearly all conditions.

Most crops are C3, but some are C4. C4 crops typically benefit from eCO2 less than C3 crops, if grown where there's no drought risk — which, of course, means almost nowhere.

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 6/13. The indispensable CO2 Science plant growth database indexes more than a hundred studies of the effects of additional CO2 on wheat. Here's the list of studies:
co2science.org/data/plant_gro…

Here's a table summarizing the results:
co2science.org/data/plant_gro…

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 7/13. As you can see from the summary of those study results, supplementation with an additional 300 ppmv CO2 is dramatically beneficial for wheat, and another 300 ppmv beyond that (+600 ppmv total) is also slightly beneficial.

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 8/13. Unfortunately, outdoor CO2 levels will never get that high.

We might get to the outdoor equivalent of +300 ppmv, in a century or two, If economic growth continues, and if fusion & thorium power fizzle. But I doubt it, and it'll certainly never get to +600 ppmv.

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 9/13. That means that, practically speaking, the higher the atmospheric CO2 level rises, the more wheat crops will benefit — just like every other major crop. There is no practical CO2 limit, above which there's no additional benefit from more CO2.

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 10/13. Sean wrote, "if certain plants… do experience boosted growth from elevated CO2, they consume more soil nutrients…"

Wrong. I already showed you that more productive crops do NOT consume more soil nutrients per unit of production. Did you read it?

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 11/13. Sean wrote, "[and] ...they consume more... water."

That's wrong, too. I've already shown you that eCO2 REDUCES water requirements. It even makes C4 crops more water-efficient and drought-resilient.

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 12/13. The effects of eCO2 have been rigorously tested on all major crops, alone and in combinations with many other environmental changes. The results are conclusive: eCO2 is uniformly beneficial.
tinyurl.com/1920sciamCO2

That's GOOD news! Why are you so reluctant to accept it?

@smarzeli @Drew07957048 @Tokyo_Tom @ClimateDepot @Kenneth72712993 @BrknMan @KCTaz @nvangelder03 @WX_Scotland @DawnTJ90 @IngersolRobert @OscarsWild1 @Stephen90045069 @ancistroneura @TheDisproof @VictorinMarie @JsharkJill @RuleByLogic @SharkSandwhich @tradewith60 @Tangomitteckel @Ceist8 @ClimatePatriot @MaryLal82360537 @ianrowley677 @nogo_1965 @Jamz129 @FrankWi74044551 @chimera414 @sueytonius @swcrisis @eloarefab @BailFund_Brawl @alshalloway @joetheatheistp @insane_voice @BradPKeyes @Fauntleroy1934 @joedieseldodge @BadgersNo @fknsavages27 @SimonPearson961 @JoeTheAtheist @CMorrisonEsq @maya_phd @CymaticWave @Schtickery @stevenmosher @Willard1951 @jc_Craze 13/13. Perhaps it's because you've been immersed in climate industry propaganda for so long that you have a hard time telling fact from fiction.

If you want to understand the climate issue you need balanced information. Here're some good resources: