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Jun 8, 2021, 14 tweets

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An annoying thing about many SARS-CoV-2 lab conspiracists is they don't learn a da*n thing, no matter how much it's explained to them.

Example from WSJ, Steven Quay, + Richard Muller:

"The science suggests a Wuhan lab leak"
wsj.com/articles/the-s…
archive.is/MfmLd

2/Z

Quay + Muller's 'codon usage' point is not new.

Ex: Bret Weinstein was making the point months ago, and Nicholas Wade did more recently.

It's a favorite talking among the conspiracy theorists.



https://t.co/jGJkNUBui0

thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-or…

4/Z

Another crucial concept is out-of-frame insertion / frame-shift:

practical-haemostasis.com/Genetics/genet…
genome.gov/genetics-gloss…

It's basic biology, and I learned it as a high school freshman. It's telling how many SARS-CoV-2 lab conspiracists screw up introductory genetics. 🙄

5/Z

So an out-of-frame mutation resulting from copy-choice error, easily explains how one ends up with 2 CGG codons without a lab.

That's been known since at least May *2020.*
Hence why I said the conspiracists learn nothing. 🤦‍♂️



virological.org/t/tackling-rum…

6/Z

It's also silly when Quay + Muller say "CGG" is a hallmark of genetic manipulation.

As an immunologist I know it's actually a fairly common sequence often recognized by the immune system and used to clear pathogens.



archive.is/ZFIHa

7/Z

Quay + Muller suggest that "the double CGG is suppressed naturally":
archive.is/MfmLd#selectio…

Actually, SARS-CoV-2 kept it in nature. That's not surprising, since it can evade (and likely often disrupt) the immune system.



archive.is/ZFIHa#selectio…

8/Z

Out-of-frame introduction of two CGG codons is 1 of many ways in which SARS-CoV-2 looks like a virus that evolved haphazardly in the natural world, as opposed to being intelligently designed by humans

microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-762/



virological.org/t/tackling-rum…

9/Z

This is why copy-choice error (along with codon usage and SARS-CoV-2's furin cleavage site) is 1 of my litmus tests for SARS-CoV-2 lab conspiracists:

If they still screw up on it after May 2020, then they're not credible. 🤷‍♂️



10/Z

Besides:
- Nicholas Wade
- Steven Quay
- Richard Muller
- Bret Weinstein
- Heather Heying
etc., Richard Ebright also peddled the debunked codon talking point.

Yet even Alina Chan knew better.





archive.is/ZFIHa#selectio…

11/Z

Evidence won't persuade most SARS-CoV-2 lab conspiracists, anymore than evidence would persuade most HIV conspiracists that HIV evolved naturally from SIV and spread outside of a lab, as opposed to having escaped from scientists' research.

tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.10…

12/Z

For non-expert conspiracists, it's not about evidence, but instead ideology, etc.



"Pew Research Center survey conducted in March 2020 found that 29% of Americans believed that SARS-CoV-2 was developed intentionally in a lab"
link.springer.com/content/pdf/10…

13/Z

Even the scientist Nicholas Wade cited to justify his conspiracism on the furin cleavage site / codon usage, walked his statements back.

Do better next time, David Baltimore.
Don't be another Kary Mullis with Nobel disease.



theguardian.com/world/2021/jun…

14/Z

Re: "So an out-of-frame mutation resulting from copy-choice error, easily explains how one ends up with 2 CGG codons without a lab.
That's been known since at least May *2020.*
Hence why I said the conspiracists learn nothing"

Context from @gorskon:
respectfulinsolence.com/2021/06/11/cgg…

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