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@Willard1951 @WillWat6 @TheDisproof @AGWisScience @JimBowersclimb @CryptoPaul68_2 @mtobis @Veritatem2021 @SGMTrailbuilder @peblackstock @EricWil06256732 @TWTThisIsNow @AristotleMrs @Winston43105474 @Mark_A_Lunn @EthonRaptor @ChrisBBacon3 @Ceist8 @Climatehope2 @priscian @BouchellJohn @ShroedingerBird @6lennybravo @glinch72 @ianrowley677 @tevet @MustBeJoshing @BlasphemousBan1 @ItsTheAtmospher @Dannyboy7293 @Jaisans @jbonbon91 @DarthFeodor @BradPKeyes @atherton_chris @3GHtweets @DGinCheshire @BointonGiles @AuroriaTwittori @RushhourP @MartinJBern @Anvndarnamn5 @BailFund_Brawl @gstrandberg1 @Jakegsm @ammocrypta @DTGvmd @wille99 @PaulDFarrar @Data79504085 1/5》Kramer's experiment ran for 15 years. Compared to that, the most widely recognized feedbacks, like water vapor feedback (positive), lapse rate feedback (negative) & cloud feedbacks (complicated!), are instantaneous.

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@Willard1951 @WillWat6 @TheDisproof @AGWisScience @JimBowersclimb @CryptoPaul68_2 @mtobis @Veritatem2021 @SGMTrailbuilder @peblackstock @EricWil06256732 @TWTThisIsNow @AristotleMrs @Winston43105474 @Mark_A_Lunn @EthonRaptor @ChrisBBacon3 @Ceist8 @Climatehope2 @priscian @BouchellJohn @ShroedingerBird @6lennybravo @glinch72 @ianrowley677 @tevet @MustBeJoshing @BlasphemousBan1 @ItsTheAtmospher @Dannyboy7293 @Jaisans @jbonbon91 @DarthFeodor @BradPKeyes @atherton_chris @3GHtweets @DGinCheshire @BointonGiles @AuroriaTwittori @RushhourP @MartinJBern @Anvndarnamn5 @BailFund_Brawl @gstrandberg1 @Jakegsm @ammocrypta @DTGvmd @wille99 @PaulDFarrar @Data79504085 2/5》1. If net fast feedbacks increase CO2's forcing (typical estimate +50%. tho that's probably too high), AND

2. Kramer's RF data INCLUDES consequences of that amplification, AND

3. Kramer's RF central value is STILL only 83% of the Myhre/IPCC's estimate for CO2 alone:
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@Willard1951 @WillWat6 @TheDisproof @AGWisScience @JimBowersclimb @CryptoPaul68_2 @mtobis @Veritatem2021 @SGMTrailbuilder @peblackstock @EricWil06256732 @TWTThisIsNow @AristotleMrs @Winston43105474 @Mark_A_Lunn @EthonRaptor @ChrisBBacon3 @Ceist8 @Climatehope2 @priscian @BouchellJohn @ShroedingerBird @6lennybravo @glinch72 @ianrowley677 @tevet @MustBeJoshing @BlasphemousBan1 @ItsTheAtmospher @Dannyboy7293 @Jaisans @jbonbon91 @DarthFeodor @BradPKeyes @atherton_chris @3GHtweets @DGinCheshire @BointonGiles @AuroriaTwittori @RushhourP @MartinJBern @Anvndarnamn5 @BailFund_Brawl @gstrandberg1 @Jakegsm @ammocrypta @DTGvmd @wille99 @PaulDFarrar @Data79504085 3/5》Do you understand the implications?

It means the Myhre/IPCC estimate for 𝞪 (5.35 ±0.58) is probably way too high.
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The other way to reconcile those figures is if fast feedbacks, like water vapor feedback, are net-negative (attenuating / stabilizing).

@Willard1951 @WillWat6 @TheDisproof @AGWisScience @JimBowersclimb @CryptoPaul68_2 @mtobis @Veritatem2021 @SGMTrailbuilder @peblackstock @EricWil06256732 @TWTThisIsNow @AristotleMrs @Winston43105474 @Mark_A_Lunn @EthonRaptor @ChrisBBacon3 @Ceist8 @Climatehope2 @priscian @BouchellJohn @ShroedingerBird @6lennybravo @glinch72 @ianrowley677 @tevet @MustBeJoshing @BlasphemousBan1 @ItsTheAtmospher @Dannyboy7293 @Jaisans @jbonbon91 @DarthFeodor @BradPKeyes @atherton_chris @3GHtweets @DGinCheshire @BointonGiles @AuroriaTwittori @RushhourP @MartinJBern @Anvndarnamn5 @BailFund_Brawl @gstrandberg1 @Jakegsm @ammocrypta @DTGvmd @wille99 @PaulDFarrar @Data79504085 4/5》Either way, it explains why "the models run hot."

EITHER:
van Wijngaarden & Happer are right, and the Myhre/IPCC estimate of CO2's RF is too high,

OR:
Net climate feedbacks are far less positive than most CMIP models assume.

(Or both!)

@Willard1951 @WillWat6 @TheDisproof @AGWisScience @JimBowersclimb @CryptoPaul68_2 @mtobis @Veritatem2021 @SGMTrailbuilder @peblackstock @EricWil06256732 @TWTThisIsNow @AristotleMrs @Winston43105474 @Mark_A_Lunn @EthonRaptor @ChrisBBacon3 @Ceist8 @Climatehope2 @priscian @BouchellJohn @ShroedingerBird @6lennybravo @glinch72 @ianrowley677 @tevet @MustBeJoshing @BlasphemousBan1 @ItsTheAtmospher @Dannyboy7293 @Jaisans @jbonbon91 @DarthFeodor @BradPKeyes @atherton_chris @3GHtweets @DGinCheshire @BointonGiles @AuroriaTwittori @RushhourP @MartinJBern @Anvndarnamn5 @BailFund_Brawl @gstrandberg1 @Jakegsm @ammocrypta @DTGvmd @wille99 @PaulDFarrar @Data79504085 5/5》The scientific evidence just keeps piling up, showing that anthropogenic climate change is modest and benign, CO2 is beneficial rather than harmful, and the social cost of carbon is negative.

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