Thread by @iamlunasol

I’m tired of seeing the same arguments against lolisho in my mentions so here’s a thread where I’m gonna respond to these tired talking points in advance.

1️⃣ “What if a child sees this?! This needs to be banned!”

It’s clearly marked 🔞 content. If you say this, imma assume you think ALL porn should be illegal. Don’t want a kid to see porn? Don’t leave it out. Don’t let them into 🔞 spaces. Problem solved.

2️⃣ “Allowing lolisho will make people think this kind of thing is okay IRL!”

When you watched Jerry smash Tom in the face with a cast iron skillet, did you think that was an okay thing to do IRL? I’m gonna guess no. Are you learning your moral lessons from pornhub? I hope not.

Entertainment, fiction, nor porn have any kind of duty to educate people. Why are you holding entertainment media responsible for making you being a good person? Probably bc you don’t want to put any effort into doing that on your own time.

3️⃣ “This can be used to groom a child.”

Anything can be used to groom a child. Candy. Toys. I was groomed with sweaters bought at American Eagle FFS. Mainstream porn can be used in the same way. All these things are still legal.

4️⃣ “It is CP / CSAM!”

Wrong. The DOJ defines CSAM as images that are “indistinguishable” from an “identifiable, actual minor.” This means a REAL HUMAN, not fictional cartoon characters.

5️⃣ “You can go to prison for having/making lolisho!”

Big reach. There are only 2 cases of this happening. In both cases, the defendants PLEAD guilty to obscenity charges instead of fighting the charges. No case involving lolisho has ever been subjected to the Miller Test.

In the case of Christopher Handley, he was charged under parts the Protect Act that were later ruled unconstitutional. It’s unlikely that either of these men would have been sentenced had they not plead guilty.

I’m also reiterating that they were charged with obscenity. Not anything to do with CSAM or child abuse. Obscenity charges in the US are notoriously controversial bc of the subjective nature of the Miller Test, + the need for actions to cause injury to be actionable.

6️⃣ “Well lolisho still represents kids!”

Not necessarily. The body types depicted in lolisho can vary greatly from artist to artist.
Many lolisho artists use adult women for the their reference models, & thus bear no resemblance to kids.

Note this language in a shota doujin I legally purchased from @/J18Publishing. “All characters depicted in sexual acts or situations are of at least 18 years of age, notwithstanding allusions or expressions to the contrary.”

That means even if a character is depicted in a school uniform & saying they’re 16, they’re not. It’s essentially fantasy/role play like any other teacher/student role play video on pornhub with 18+ actors.

There are lolisho artists that draw more childlike characters. If you’re uncomfortable with that, that’s 100% valid. I’m not into that either. But we don’t prosecute people for liking stuff that squicks us out. We prosecute people who hurt REAL people. Cartoons =\= people.

7️⃣ “If you like lolisho, you like kids IRL.”

NO. This kind of generalization is flat out wrong.

There are lots of reasons ppl like lolisho that have NOTHING to do with liking real kids.

I can’t list them all, bc they’re going to vary from person to person, but here are some—

common reasons (including some of my own):

▪️Transmascs may find the shota/femboy body type to be a relatable representation of their own idealized bodies.

▪️Survivors of child abuse may find it to be a helpful coping tool to recontextualize or desensitize their past trauma

▪️Some folks might find themselves represented in the body types of lolisho characters (bc not every adult looks like Marilyn Monroe or Arnold Schwarzenegger).

▪️ Some people might have sexual trauma that makes mature body types feel threatening. Stories with lolisho characters may feel more “safe” bc these characters are not physically threatening/triggering

▪️Some people simply enjoy a dynamic where a character appears physically weak while acting sexually assertive

▪️Some of us relate to (or like) characters that are weak, subby, bottom bitches, period.

You don’t know why someone likes lolisho without asking them. And they aren’t going to tell you if they know you’re just looking for ammunition to use against them, and not actually trying to understand or empathize.

8️⃣ “Well you’re still weird for liking lolisho.”

Being weird is not a crime. We do not put people in prison simply for being weird.

9️⃣ “I’m a CSA survivor & I think lolisho is harmful.”

You get to decide what is harmful TO YOU. Some CSA survivors find lolisho to be therapeutic. You don’t get to overrule them, & they don’t get to overrule you.

Some people are deathly allergic to peanuts. But not everyone is, and many people enjoy them without being harmed by them. And that’s why we don’t outlaw peanuts. If peanuts harm you, it’s up to you to avoid peanuts.

Apply that logic to lolisho.