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LIVE 🔴| Day 1 of PrivacyNama 2022, MediaNama’s flagship conference on privacy and data governance, is going live soon.

You can catch a live-stream of the discussion on the following link: #PrivacyNama2022

#PrivacyNama2022 Day 1
1:30-2:30 PM: Opening Keynote by Prof. Usha Ramanathan
2:30-3:30 PM: Geopolitics, Data Segmentation and Cross Border Data Flows
3:45-5:00 PM: Privacy, Children and Access to Services
5:00-6:00 PM: Consumer Expectations of Privacy in Commerce and Advertising

MediaNama is hosting these events with support from @mozilla, @Meta, @Walmart and @amazon. @CCGNLUD, @accessnow and @cis_india are our community partners for the discussions.

@mozilla @Meta @Walmart @amazon @CCGNLUD @accessnow @cis_india LIVE 🔴| Day 1 of PrivacyNama 2022: Prof. Usha Ramanathan is delivering the keynote address and discussing the fundamental and foundational principles of privacy.

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We were told that tech (unique ID project) was going to help all people. But it soon became clear it was just a pitch to push the project. There were other interests behind it. - Prof. Usha Ramanathan #PrivacyNama2022

Unless you're on the system, you cannot get any of the benefits of the states (pension, welfare, etc). This is against the job of the state. Job is to expand freedom not control people. - Prof. Usha Ramanathan #PrivacyNama2022

We noticed the emergence of the mandated citizen. You don't have choice whether you want to share certain things with the state or not. State works for us, it shouldn't own our data. That is getting inverted. - Prof. Usha Ramanathan #PrivacyNama2022

Edward Snowden revelations opened our eyes to privacy. He told us what NSA and the US govt was doing with data of people. India was saying it's alright, they at least helping us with terror. - Prof. Usha Ramanathan #PrivacyNama2022

People are told if you don't reveal yourself the way we want to, we will penalise you. This is extraordinary for a state to do. - Prof. Usha Ramanathan #PrivacyNama2022

Everything is not just about consent, it's also about choice. - Prof. Usha Ramanathan #PrivacyNama2022

Mr. Sharma think there's consent, he thinks there's consent. - Prof. Usha Ramanathan #PrivacyNama2022

How many people actually delinked Aadhaar from bank after the SC judgement. I don't know if anybody did that. It's no point if we don't make use of that judgement. - Prof. Usha Ramanathan #PrivacyNama2022

A 11-year old girl died because she didn't have food because they couldn't link Aadhaar to the ration card. Why was there no outrage for this? - Prof. Usha Ramanathan #PrivacyNama2022

LIVE 🔴| Day 1 of #PrivacyNama2022: Panel on Geopolitics, Data Segmentation and Cross Border Data Flows

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Chair: @GanesanAarathi (Journalist, MediaNama)
Speakers: @BasuArindrajit (CIS), @DebSidharth (CCG-NLUD) and @sthapliyal (CCG-NLUD)

@GanesanAarathi @BasuArindrajit @DebSidharth @sthapliyal CBDF by nature is international but discussions around these are not happening at negotiating forum. So far discussions are at the nascent stage. Data sensitisation differed from countries. Japan suggests countries decide. - @sthapliyal31 #PrivacyNama2022

@GanesanAarathi @BasuArindrajit @DebSidharth @sthapliyal @sthapliyal31 There is a positive human rights life lawyering one is a more cynical way of doing it. Both the global and domestic policy framework are still nascent in India. DPB still emerging. Global policy still in nascent stages. - @BasuArindrajit
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@GanesanAarathi @BasuArindrajit @DebSidharth @sthapliyal @sthapliyal31 From Russia, there have been proposals for int. treaty to govern cyber space but pushback from US NATO and allies. Nevertheless a push for a normative framework for cyberspace - @DebSidharth
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@GanesanAarathi @BasuArindrajit @DebSidharth @sthapliyal @sthapliyal31 Govts discussing what are certain principles through which cbdf can be governed? When we think cbdf, for eg. EU is from right to privacy. From US the lens is nature to country like free flow of info - @DebSidharth
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@GanesanAarathi @BasuArindrajit @DebSidharth @sthapliyal @sthapliyal31 India looking at cyberspace from its own lenses and it informs how it interacts with multinational and even regional entities. Data can be viewed from electronic or forensics lens and nat. Security.- @DebSidharth
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@GanesanAarathi @BasuArindrajit @DebSidharth @sthapliyal @sthapliyal31 Countries negotiate at different forum differently. WTO India may not side with Japan’s moves. But on Indo-Pacific forum, India stands with Japan, Australia US - @BasuArindrajit #PrivacyNama2022

@GanesanAarathi @BasuArindrajit @DebSidharth @sthapliyal @sthapliyal31 Narratives on models to approach internet difficult bcoz certain countries don’t confirm to particular blocs - @BasuArindrajit #PrivacyNama2022

@GanesanAarathi @BasuArindrajit @DebSidharth @sthapliyal @sthapliyal31 It might be useful for India as it looks at its G20 presidency for bottom up frameworks that can eventually be scaled - @DebSidharth #PrivacyNama2022

@GanesanAarathi @BasuArindrajit @DebSidharth @sthapliyal @sthapliyal31 During cybercrime convention, countries agree to disagree and that they will opt-out of situations where they are not comfortable or have their reservation - @sthapliyal31 #PrivacyNama2022

@GanesanAarathi @BasuArindrajit @DebSidharth @sthapliyal @sthapliyal31 In terms of cross border data flow, India has a clear idea sector-wise. The problem is that these international negotiations happen in silos. Govt should make a concerted effort rather than a piecemeal approach - @sthapliyal31 #PrivacyNama2022

@GanesanAarathi @BasuArindrajit @DebSidharth @sthapliyal @sthapliyal31 LIVE 🔴| Day 1 of PrivacyNama 2022: Panel on Privacy, Children and Access to Services


Session Chair: @nixxin (MediaNama)
Speakers: @BhartiAparajita (YLAC & The Quantum Hub), Nivedita Krishna (Pacta), and @Livingstone_S (LSE)

@GanesanAarathi @BasuArindrajit @DebSidharth @sthapliyal @sthapliyal31 @nixxin @BhartiAparajita @Livingstone_S Early days of Age Appropriate Design Code. Some tech platforms (Insta, Twitter, etc) have made quick changes in response. But there are many ways in which code is still not being implemented. - @Livingstone_S #PrivacyNama2022

Some platforms will slip through the cracks, we are in discussion on how to make the Age Appropriate Design Code more enforceable. - @Livingstone_S #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S We are so far away from other countries on this front. Our PDP Bill is just cutting off access to children by giving parents too much control. Hopefully more discussion takes place before new PDP Bill comes out. - @BhartiAparajita #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita Most children in India use their parents' phone/laptop. Must make sure internet is safe for everyone, then come to children. Cannot approach it in a silo. Doesn't help. - Nivedita Krishna #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita Using AI to identify age has a lot of problems. Technology might be able to identify age of white caucasian child, but not an Indian kid or a black kid. - Nivedita Krishna #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita Cannot age verify just a child, have to verify everybody to see who is a child. Don't have to do this if someone is using a weather app, but for social media or pornography need to do it. - @Livingstone_S #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita Must find a way of protecting children without denying them civil rights. And data used to age verify should not be used for any other purposes. - @Livingstone_S #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita Instagram was going to launch a kids version, but there was a global outrage. Because there is no trust in these platforms that they will respect privacy. First we need to develop that trust. - Nivedita Krishna #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita Platforms should be held accountable for a lot of things: implementing their own T&Cs, transparency, impact assessment before entering market, assessment by independent regulator, etc - @Livingstone_S #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita When regulating, start with the idea that human rights mean agency and protection. Not the other way around. - @Livingstone_S #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita Law in India already provides safety for children. Don't need separate law. Need something to make internet safe for everyone. - Nivedita Krishna #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita Profiling has its uses, even for children. Shows us relevant things. But needs to be more nuanced approach with children and edtech platforms. We need PDP soon and children need to be educated on their rights. - @BhartiAparajita #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita We need a gendered approach to regulation because women get affected differently to men. Even in the intermediary regulation. But this should not compromise on agency in the name of safety. - @BhartiAparajita #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita LIVE🔴| Panel on Consumer Expectations of Privacy in Commerce and Advertising #PrivacyNama2022
Chair: @prasanto (FTI Consulting)
Speakers: @benichugh(Dvara Research) Debapratim Ray (Xiaomi) @finnmyrstad (Norwegian Consumer Council) @udbhav_tiwari (Mozilla)

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari We don't have privacy law don't know as consumers what it means to give our data. The biggest path to phishing etc. Is through sharing private information - @prasanto #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari People do not share information not because of harms but bcoz its personal - @benichugh
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@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari Concept of privacy is inter-linked with user experience. IN the sense users do not know how their information is being used. There are no concerns. The front is always a user issue rather than a privacy issue - Debapratim Ray #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari There is no problem with profiling per se. It’s the application of profiling that has the potential to cause harm - Debapratim Ray #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari Today profiling has a lot of negative consequences at the private level but also at the aggregate level. There’s little scrutiny about data collection, bias, data correction, etc. Profiling must be approached carefully. - @finnmyrstad #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari Looking from commercial angle, we’re worried that profiling will allow price discrimination if they think you can pay more or have weakness to a specific thing. Tracking is so pervasive today- @finnmyrstad #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari Unintended discrimination can also be a result. For eg. some women are not shown job ads, etc. We see a data free-for-all where companies grab data but don’t respect data protection laws and rights- @finnmyrstad #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari At a higher level, the conversation’s not about data collection a problem but data collection as a reality. What is done to data when it comes to advertising? At Mozilla we feel the model is fundamentally broken - @udbhav_tiwari #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari Companies, service providers need to protect privacy. This makes sure advtg tangentially improves - @udbhav_tiwari #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari Transparency by itself will not address privacy concerns of users, it has to be complemented by privacy-enhancing tech. The problem as on date for a user is what profile applies to him. What choice they are/aren’t getting? - Debapratim Ray #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari Australia Economy Act section says data enrichment is not allowed. Shows there is something to be said about data enrichment behind ppl’s backs. It strips ppl of control of sharing their data. - @benichugh #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari The reason users click no for tracking is bcoz they are deeply uncomfortable. 97% of users say they want to be tracked. No clearer signal for bringing in changes. Laws&regulations will require users get choice for tracking- @udbhav_tiwari #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari Regd transparency, for regulators important and also for investors. Companies will not be transparent for everything. There will be certain transparency regulations. Investors need more information as well - @finnmyrstad #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari Gap b/w intent of law&how it’s enforced. Consumers unwilling to share data with financial entities. Regd sharing financial data with local govt bodies, even more unwilling. They share data in the context of relation they see- @benichugh #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari A study during pandemic with CGAP and ECHO showed that if there is sufficient competition along privacy lines then privacy protectors will prevail - @benichugh #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari We'd like to thank @mozilla, @Meta, @Walmart, @amazon, @CCGNLUD, @accessnow, @cis_india for supporting us. #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari @mozilla @Meta @Walmart @amazon @CCGNLUD @accessnow @cis_india Thank you for joining us for Day 1 of #PrivacyNama2022. We have exciting sessions lined-up for tomorrow as well: medianama.com/2022/09/223-pr… #PrivacyNama2022

@Livingstone_S @BhartiAparajita @prasanto @benichugh @finnmyrstad @udbhav_tiwari @mozilla @Meta @Walmart @amazon @CCGNLUD @accessnow @cis_india Please do share your key takeaways from this discussion on Twitter, using the hashtag #PrivacyNama2022 so we may retweet it from our account.

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