Lol, hey guys 😆😉 this is how much rent it costs me to live in your heads. 😂🤣
I am doing something right!
The intro vids & music are cringe.
The mod opens things by asking "where do social justice, the secular community and identity meet?"
Are... are you going to ask them to define their terms for those concepts, or take them 1 by 1?
Ok, Carl comes out telling Carrier everyone hates social justice & want it to go away. No citation provided.
Crowd loves it.
-Carl thinks race, gender, and sexuality are "arbitrary characteristics", not nexus on which power and justice are distributed.
It's such a white cis het man perspective. 🙄
"hegemonic-ruling or dominant in a political or social context."
Neoliberalism is hegemonic. If social justice were hegemonic, we wouldn't have to fight for it. Boy, he needs to check definitions more carefully.
Carrier explains to Carl the logical fallacy he's making. Golf claps.
Carl attacks saying Carrier is a minority, most SJWs are "extremists".
Ah, Carl's gonna start to tell Carrier what he thinks.
Good to get confirmation from the stage he saw it and it stuck with him.
If a tweet with facts is extremist, what'd he call the WaPo?
Hot take from Carl: SJWs need to police the actions of other SWJs (psst, remember he can't control his fans, tho 🙄😏
Where is the mod? Mario? You asleep?
Carl: I don't see SWJs I agree with, so there must not be any!
So rational Carl!
Mr "I keep misusing the word hegemony" Benjamin says Mike & Chrisiousity aren't bright? 😮😠 & 😁😂
Where is the mod?!?
For the sake of women's safety and the elimination of sexual harassment @ cons I hope that's not the case.
Now Carrier is speculating on the motivations of imaginary sjw people. 🙄😏 He's quite the wet rag.
The real face of classical liberalism, friends!
Carl gives a weird, made-up, ad hoc definion of social justice. Goes off for a bit.
Carrier mentions "legislative", Carl says he's talking about "procedural issues" not policy. Wut?
-Carrier hasn't mentioned any solutions yet! 😁🤣😆
Where's-a Mario?! Hello mod! Cross talk. You want anyone to actually hear what they are saying?
Carl quotes no one, cites no survey.
Actual vid of his research
Carrier fails so far to provide a coherent counter defintion for social justice. Useless.
I looked online. I can't find research on those numbers. I think he's made it up.
Then he busted out the misquote we busted him on! 😁😂🤣😆
Carrier commented on my vid, let's see if he mentions it.
Sargon to Carrier "Are you insane?"
Where is the mod? Off smoking weed?
Carl just misquoted Sally Boynton Brown, the executive director of Idaho's Democratic Party. Not by name. I had to look that up.
That's his example, an unnamed, unknown Dem.
Carl says that misquote represents all of social justice. Wow what a rational.. no, wait. He's a fool.
(The "sceptical" crowd approves.)
Carl: "We can't get there. You people are insufferable & we can't stand you."
Rational to the max!
Carrier tries to get Carl to like him.
Carl can't move beyond stopping people he doesn't like talking.
Where is the mod?!
Carl is speechifying now, going on a rant tailored to his This Week in Stupid fanbase.
He's so transparent and sad. It's hilarous! 😁🤣😆😁🤣😆
The man is a fool.
He's trolling Carrier with "lived experiences" again, crowd cheers.
The mod is once again afk.
Sargon just told Carrier what he was here to do "defend social justice".
Coral accuses Carrier of being unable to stay on topic, despite the fact that Carl has done the vast majority of the talking.
OMG!!! He SPEAKS! After almost 20 mins the mod tries to calm things down!
Seems a weird choice given their histories. Shouldn't Carrier, a supposed 'ally', realize these 2 men in particular arguing women's rights as social justice isn't a good look?
Is he going to throw out a series of buzzwords in lieu of debate?
The crowd goes wild.
Carl goes in for another personal attack and Carrier deflects with a question.
Carl: It does.
Carrier: No it doesn't!
Carl: Yes it does!
Carrier: No, it doesn't!
- Carl Benjamin, #Mythcon2018
Carl makes the most random demands: Defend this. Tell me why this! Address the problem!
(Also, another Furry community mention ?)
Carl Benjamin #MythCon 2018
"Stop talking & I'll explain it to you."
What an ass.
For a free speech advocate, Carl really likes to silence people.
Carl: SJ = PM = "Foe-CUE & Markooza"
He's off his rocker.
Cheers and applause from his sycophants.
The debate has literally turned into how many social justice advocates are good or bad people. ffs.
Carl: "The social justice movement is a pariah." 🙄
AND a hegemony?
Carl: "The procedures of social justice are unacceptable in a civilized society."
(Me: But oppression is?!)
Now they are debating "procedures" in the abstract 🙄
A guy who was in the news for a rape-themed tweet harassing an MP.
Carrier's sucking up trying to make friends again. 🙄
Lol! Carl said #MythCon put him on stage to hold Carrier accountable for social justice!
And they're everywhere!
Think Sargon is channelling
It's two idiots.
I'm watching 2 idiots on stage.
Carl: You can say social justice as much as you want but there's only individual justice.
OMG he thinks he's deep.
Carl keeps with his personally dismissive comments. His sycophants keep tittering, but the room sounds empty.
And Carl chucks out some anti-feminism for old times sake. Aw.
Don't think that will age well.
Carl tries to high road Carrier, cuz Carl sides with women who work to deny other women their right to access legal abortion.
Classical liberalism, friends!
Did Carl just disagree that activism to change laws is ok?!
And Carl pivots back to his hobby horse: the sjw legions of extremists indoctrinating kids and marching with signs that the hate people.
He sees sjws everywhere! He thinks its a religion with a priestly class, THEY HAVE BLASPHEMY LAWS!
(His sycophants cheer.)
Carrier keeps agreeing with Carl's ridiculous strawmen. Wow, what an ally.
Carl said his fans are afraid to be activist because of what sjws will do. His troll UKIP fans. 🙄😏
I'm pretty convinced that Carrier did not research Carl's debate tactics very well before this.
Carl said that philosophy is playing games with words. He's so.smaaaart.
Carl is indignantly protesting that he should not have to care about things (like discrimination or the abuse of power- me).
Carrier is explaining he agrees with Carl again.
Carl declared he will destroy intersectionality. Bwah ha ha ha ha.
OH! Made it to "Shut up. Shut up! Shut up!" 😆😂🤣
Mod "Let's keep it civil, pls."
Carl thought the topic was intersectional social justice, he's berating Carrier for not defending it, despite that not at all being the panel name.
No matter how much Carrier tries to kiss up, Sargon is giving him a hard pass.
Carl keeps describing what people he's never met think based on nothing but his own bigotry & misogyny.
Carl equated intersectional feminists & the alt-right. Carl's fix to the alt-right is to not hire them?
Why you may wonder?
To remove their institutional power, says Carl. He thinks feminists wield global institutional power.
Wouldn't that require applicants to provide all their political views alongside their resume, a profound violation of personal privacy?
Is that the policy positon of the classical liberalist-st-st?
White men Carl wants to end identity politics. What a surprise.🙄😏
Carl "Racism is an opinion."
Carrier "Black people are pulled over more often than white people."
Carl "You don't know that's because of race."
He has this annoying tactic of asking people a question to which he has answer. Then he'll interrupt the person to "correct" them with his bs.
The other is saying "We can agree that (insert something fine, then a series of ridiculous claims).
Not the poverty they were put into and kept in by white racists, or that few blacks benefited from the GI bill & home loans due to white racism, or hiring bias, or biased police & justice system..
Hearing him smugly spewing his ignorant, racist garbage ...
Carrier has been useless throughout this by the way. He's a speed bump for Carl's nonstop flow of racism.
Carl: Racism reduced crime
This is a teaching moment, and he's done nothing to effectively counter Carl's racist assertions.
And now it's the Q&A.