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#StateCaptureInquiry Muofhe says it was public knowledge at the time other Cabinet Ministers had been to Saxonwold. "Even as the letter came I understood it in that context. Because it came soon after the appointment of former Minister Ramatlhodi," says Muofhe.
#StateCaptureInquiry Muofhe said he told the caller he personally had no interest in attending the dinner but he would convey the message to Ramatlhodi which he duly did. "The Minister without even winking said, 'Decline the invite. I am not interested. Decline the directive.'"
#StateCaptureInquiry Muofhe says of the receipt of the letter and the subsequent phone call, "It was on the same day." He adds, "I was the gateway to the minister." Moufhe says the letter was delivered to his office and even before he could reply "there was a certain phone call."
#StateCaptureInquiry Zondo wants to check Moufhe is not making a mistake on this idea that Ministers meeting the #Guptas at Saxonwold in 2014 was public knowledge. Muofhe says it was known and some Ministers admitted they went to Saxonwold, he doesn't know if they were summoned.
#StateCaptureInquiry Muofhe says there is one case he can recall about Fikile Mbalula saying he learned of his appointment from a Gupta. Moufhe says he heard it on the radio. Here is a @News24 article on that, in which Ajay Gupta says he joked to Mbalula.…
@News24 #StateCaptureInquiry "That, to my knowledge, is the only time I engaged with them," says Muofhe. Molefe asks if Muofhe gave the #Guptas his reasons to decline the dinner. Muofhe says not, they were gripped with resolving the Amcu platinum belt strike.
@News24 #StateCaptureInquiry "Personally, I have not," says Muofhe on if he ever met the #Guptas. On Ramatlhodi and to the best of his knowledge, says Muofhe, "he too never met them." He now deals with his discussion with Ramatlhodi about a reported meeting request from Duduzane Zuma.
MT: #StateCaptureInquiry Muofhe says that "Mr Duduzane Zuma" was a "very young person" and wanted to meet Ramatlhodi to congratulate Ramatlhodi on his appointment as Mineral Resources Minister. Molefe then asks about the meeting between Ramatlhodi, Molefe and Ngubane.
#StateCaptureInquiry Muofhe: Ramatlhodi told me that Molefe and Ngubane were trying to influence him to take decisions in relation to dealing with the Optimum mine.
#StateCaptureInquiry Muofhe on the meeting between Ramatlhodi, Molefe and Ngubane: It was a decision which ordinarily someone who's not part of any department or ministry would not have a right to do things the way they wanted him to do.
#StateCaptureInquiry Molefe: You also make mention of corruption where you state that yourself and Advocate Ramatlhodi state that you would rather be out begging in the street that allow the Former President to corrupt us. On what basis did you reach that conclusion?
#StateCaptureInquiry "Personally, I was taken aback," begins Muofhe on #Guptas "having the audacity to give those directives" and hail sitting Ministers to #Saxonwold. "We told ourselves [...] that no one for that matter is going to give us any instruction to do wrong things."
#StateCaptureInquiry Molefe refers to the Cabinet reshuffle and Ramatlhodi being "displeased about this reshuffle" and asks, "Why?" Muofhe replies, One would not understand why it is done [...] just to be reshuffled like that, you are bound to be a bit disturbed."
#StateCaptureInquiry Muofhe speaks about the volatility in the platinum sector and the Department of Mineral Resources' focus on resolving that, resolving the Amcu strike. He says, in the middle of all that, Ramatlhodi was moved.
#StateCaptureInquiry Molefe asks Muofkhe about the establishment of a reference group. Muofhe says it concerned reporting on various matters including reporting on the Nkanda project, and Muofhe was invited to serve on the group by then Minister Nathi Nhleko.
#StateCaptureInquiry Molefe refers Muofhe to an appointment letter as a reference group member. She refers to him to a meeting with Former President Jacob Zuma, cited in Muofhe's written statement. It was sometime in March 2015, he says.
#StateCaptureInquiry "Yes, and who called for the meeting?" asks Molefe on the meeting with Zuma. "Former Minister Nhleko told me about it," says Muofhe leaning backward. Zondo stops to return to Muofhe's mention of a meeting in Cape Town with Nhleko. Zondo asks about the date.
#StateCaptureInquiry "I think I flew down to Cape Town before receiving this letter," says Muofhe. Zondo says there must have been a meeting about the request before he agreed to join the reference group. "Ja, several meetings were held," says Muofhe in his reply.
#StateCaptureInquiry Zondo asks, "Do you know how it came about that you were selected to be part of that group?" Muofhe says, "Chair, today that remains a million dollar question to me, because I didn't know former Minister Nhleko."
#StateCaptureInquiry Muofhe adds there was a general feeling I played a very active role in resolving the platinum mine belt strike, which perception chair was premised I think on the basis that I was more of the face of that interaction.
#StateCaptureInquiry "But you were not going to resolve strikes at the Minister of Police portfolio," says Zondo. Muofhe repeats that he was not sure what prompted his inclusion, it remains a mystery.
#StateCaptureInquiry Zondo presses Muofhe on why he would accept an invitation to a panel from a Minister he did not know. "Or did you not ask the question?" says Zondo. Muofhe now speaks of being a members of the ANC, that "the ANC we are more of a family" and Nhleko's a member.
[NOTE] #StateCaptureInquiry If you want a demonstration of how the lines between the governing party, the ANC, and State then pay careful attention to the discussion between Muofhe and Zondo now.
#StateCaptureInquiry Muofhe: It is an ANC tradition that if you are asked by a leader of the organisation, even if it's not an ANC matter, the understanding would not be as difficult as, it was someone else, who did not come from the same political party.
#StateCaptureInquiry Proceedings adjourn for a short break, says Zondo. We adjourn.
#StateCaptureInquiry Muofhe says he flew to Cape Town in order to meet for a discussion about his possible appointment to the NPA. He says he was requested to fly by Nhleko’s PA, was a member of the reference committee and he flew down without knowing the purpose was the NPA post
#StateCaptureInquiry Muofhe says it was only during the meeting with Nhleko in Cape Town was to discuss his possible appointment to the NPA. Molefe refers Muofhe to papers and asks when the request was made. “It does confirm what you already said,” says Molefe.
#StateCaptureInquiry Zondo asks what Muofhe’s response was to Nhleko saying Zuma wanted to appoint Muofhe as National Director of Public Prosecutions. “Chair, I was a bit shocked,” he begins. He later adds he was also honoured to be considered, it must mean he was doing good work
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