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#StateCaptureInquiry Today is a watershed moment for the @StateCaptureCom with #VytjieMentor set to undergo cross examination after she completes her evidence.
#StateCaptureInquiry Mentor is the first witness to undergo cross examination and it’s expected she will be subject to grilling from counsel for Duduzane Zuma. She also implicated Former President Jacob Zuma, when she described a ministerial job offer allegedly from a Gupta.
#StateCaptureInquiry Mentor also implicated members of the Hawks, claiming that her handwritten statement was altered when transcribed to omit former President Jacob Zuma’s name. She claimed a Hawks member advised her to exclude him from the document.
#StateCaptureInquiry Among those implicated in Mentor’s testimony: @GwedeMantashe1 and Jessie Duarte of the @MYANC to whom Mentor claims she reported the offer of the ministerial job allegedly made by a Gupta brother.
@GwedeMantashe1 @MYANC #StateCaptureInquiry Last year, Chairperson Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo granted Duduzane Zuma permission to cross examine Mentor. He denied Ajay Gupta's application to do the same, on account of Gupta's unwillingness to testify before the @StateCaptureCom in South Africa.
@GwedeMantashe1 @MYANC @StateCaptureCom #StateCaptureInquiry Among the evidence expected today is video footage of a tour of the #Saxonwold property of the Gupta family, with Mentor and members of the @StateCaptureCom team in November 2018. It's understood the raw footage exceeds some four hours.
#StateCaptureInquiry Here is #VytjieMentor speaking ahead of her return to the @StateCaptureCom today. Advocate Mahlape Sello SC is set to continue leading the last of Mentor’s evidence. Stay tuned to #eNCA403 for more.
@StateCaptureCom #StateCaptureInquiry Advocate Sello says that while Ajay Gupta's application for cross examination was refused his affidavit is on record, and aspects thereof will be referred to during the sitting.
@StateCaptureCom #StateCaptureInquiry Sello indicates they'll deal with the following:
• the 2010 @the_dti trip to China
• the Johannesburg trip the same year during which Mentor claims she was offered a Cabinet post by Ajay Gupta
• the in loco visit to Saxonwold in 2018
• cross examination
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Mentor says she does not know the status of a supplementary affidavit which Sello has not yet mentioned, but Mentor may need to refer to it during proceedings. It was filed last night.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Advocate Mahlape Sello SC has noted that there are three people, including Cope's Dennis Bloem, who are set to corroborate Mentor's reported meeting at #Saxonwold in 2010 when she claims she was offered the Public Enterprises Ministry by a Gupta brother.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #stateCaptureInquiry After some discussions about files and paperwork, we adjourn for ten minutes so that they may be sorted.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry The proceedings resume. We are still going through the various files which the Chairperson Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo needs pertaining to Mentor's testimony.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Sello says that she would now like to deal with the in loco inspection of #Saxonwold on 3 December 2018 and three parties (or, groups) were represented. They include #Gupta representatives.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Advocate Mike Hellens SC stands now to represent the Guptas, and says the Guptas engaged a professional videographer to capture "from moment first to moment last" the December 2018 inspection of the #Saxonwold property of the Guptas.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Hellens says "there is no reason why a video recording made by a videographer made of the entire inspection in loco" should not be admitted, and Hellens says "the credibility of Ms Mentor is brought sharply into focus" based on the in loco inspection.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry "There is the question of whether or not you may appear on behalf of your clients before this Commission," says Zondo, adding he is just mentioning that. He then moves on to the question of the material differences between different recordings of the same.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry "It ought to be possible for everybody who was there to agree that, yes, we did not find them. Why they may not have been found is something else," says Zondo of features of the #Saxonwold property.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Zondo continues, "If one has somebody and can say that and that is undisputed. It might reduce the need for me to see everything, or maybe any of the recording."
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Hellens responds to three points from Zondo, and suggests that the expressions on Mentor's face, her responses during the in loco inspection, and should be viewed in its entirety. He is hinting that it reveals (perhaps major) cracks in her evidence.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Zondo says this (admitting the Gupta videographer's video of the in loco inspection) is something that may not need to be decided now.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Mentor says her dignity has been attacked in relation to the in loco inspection by what Hellens has said, and she takes exception to that. She notes that they have not yet reached the in loco inspection in proceedings.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry "As a whistleblower on state capture I have carried a lot on my shoulders," says Mentor. She has indicated that she would like to conclude her evidence soon, she says she takes her role in the @StateCaptureCom seriously.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry We return to the 2010 China trip with @the_dti ad events in Beijing. Sello introduces documents from the Department of Trade and Industry on that visit from 24 to 26 August, Rajesh and Ajay Gupta appear on the list of official guests but not Atul.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Sello refers Mentor to Home Affairs records pertaining to the travel of Ajay Gupta, Atul Gupta, Rajesh Gupta, Duduzane Zuma, Vytjie Mentor, and Fana Hlongwane.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Sello refers to records for Atul Gupta. These are travel records from Home Affairs for the period 3 May 2010 to 3 July 2012, says Sello. He was not, on these records, out of South Africa during the China trip during which Mentor claims she saw him in Beijing.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCatureInquiry Mentor asks if the records mentioned are based on the use of a single passport. Sello says that Home Affairs "actually gave us very extensive information" when the @StateCaptureCom asked for information.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Sello emphasises that when a person *legally* exits the country through a port of entry and exit (including airports) Home Affairs must take a record, and the details of the passport used are captured on the Home Affairs system.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry "We do appreciate that there could be different passport numbers that Mr Atul Gupta used," says Sello noting that the legal team has prepared a confidential bundle for Zondo, and they understand Gupta may have multiple passports, some suggest four or five.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry "So, he could not have been in China (according to Home Affairs) if he left the country legally," says Sello. She asks what is Mentor's response based on Mentor's claim that she met Atul Gupta in Beijing, China.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry "They have an ability to move in and out the country without clearing customs," says Mentor speaking specifically on the Guptas. She notes that the Gupta brother she met on the China flight said his brother went ahead as part of the advanced team.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Zondo says Mentor will be asked questions by him, members of the legal team, and those granted cross examination permission. He says, "The idea is to see what the position is in terms of what you know for sure, what you are not sure about."
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti Mentor says she would like footage of day one of Zuma's visit to China in 2010 to be sourced in order to test her submission that she saw Atul Gupta in Beijing. She says it could assist proving or disproving her recollection. She then asks to return to the question later.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry "They did not carry him in August," says Sello referring to Emirates records stating Atul Gupta did not fly with that airline in August 2010.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Sello asks if Mentor is willing to exclude Atul Gupta as the man she claims she was introduced to when she met Duduzane Zuma on an Emirates flight to Beijing, China via Dubai, UAE. Mentor says she's willing to exclude him, says she did not say he was the one.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Sello refers to Emirates records showing Mentor was on a return flight from China via the UAE to South Africa with duduzane Zuma and Rajesh Gupta. Sello asks if Mentor maintains she flew back via Hong Kong. Mentor says she accepts may have been mistaken.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCaptureInquiry Sello to Mentor, citing the DTI draft programme: The State banquet your referred to was supposedly held on the 24 August, which was the next day, from 18:30.
Mentor: I arrived on the first day of proceedings. The State banquet was supposed to be that night.
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti "Ms Mentor has since retracted her allegations against Mr Fana Hlongwane and we will deal with that later," says Sello. She says that Mentor maintains, however, that she can show on a flight plan where sat the man who Duduzane Zuma allegedly introduced to her as his "Chairman"
@StateCaptureCom @the_dti #StateCatureInquiry Mentor says she would like to formally apologise to Fana Hlongwane, she sincerely apologises, and she thanks him for his kindness in reply. Zondo adjourns until 12:15.
#StateCaptureInquiry Proceedings have resumed after a belated tea break. Before tea, Sello referred to Emirates records stating Ajay and Rajesh Gupta, Duduzane Zuma and Vytjie Mentor were on the same flight on 22 August 2010.
#StateCaptureInquiry So far, Independent records from Emirates indicate that Mentor was on the same flight as Ajay and Rajesh Gupta, and Duduzane Zuma. Sello says Home Affairs has provided travel records for Atul Gupta on four passports, the information is not limited to one.
#StateCaptureInquiry Sello asks Mentor if she still maintains the view that the @StateCaptureCom has failed to investigate Atul Gupta’s travel in full, or if Mentor maintains she met Atul Gupta in China (despite Home Affairs information indicating he did not travel that month).
#StateCaptureInquiry Mentor says, “The draft programme of DTI, the first part of 23 August, it is actually [...] not the programme of the proceedings of the State visit.” She submits “there is a time difference” and she spent time in Dubai on an overlay before flying to Beijing.
#StateCaptureInquiry Sello refers now to Mentor’s supplementary affidavit filed last night. In it Mentor mentions Atul Gupta, to her knowledge, has more than one passport. Zondo suggests Sello get Mentor to confirm the statement in full to get it out the way.
#StateCaptureInquiry "I am willing to accept it when she [Sello] puts it to you and when she puts it to you and she puts it to the Commission that Home Affairs have investigated all the passports," says Mentor.
Some significant disparities in #VytjieMentor's evidence discussed today: retracting Fana Hlongwane's name, her concession that Home Affairs evidence indicates Atul Gupta did *not* travel internationally in August 2010, she did not fly back via Hong Kong, the in loco inspection.
#StateCaptureInquiry Sello refers to Mentor's reported travel from Cape Town to Johannesburg during which Mentor says she expected to meet then President Jacob Zuma in Pretoria but was instead taken to Sahara Computers' Midrand office and the #Saxonwold home of the Guptas.
#StateCaptureInquiry Sello refers to travel records from SAA for Vytjie Mentor and a record on 15 October 2010 showing travel from Cape Town to Johannesburg. "There are flight details [...] that were obtained from SAA," says Sello.
"We cannot find a record of a flight from SAA," continues Sello referring to a reported Monday flight from Cape Town to Johannesburg in 2010. "The records that are SAA records [...] I don't know if they are computerised records [...] there are chunks of repetition," says Mentor.
#StateCaptureInquiry "Their records do not seem to report what you say," says Zondo. "Their records do not support what I say but I think there are issues with their records," retorts Mentor on the SAA records.
"There were disparities and on one airline, which is SAA," says Mentor. "Also, Chair, on that, when I compared the two there were missing legs of journeys. So, a comparative study of this record of SAA and the record of SAA from Parliament records, there was a disparity."
#StateCaptureInquiry Mentor claims that the SAA records Sello has referred to are not complete; Mentor says she has "never" stayed in Johannesburg for ten or eleven days. Zondo asks Mentor if it is possible that one leg of the trip(s) could have been via another airline.
#StateCaptureInquiry Mentor says she, her legal team approached the @StateCaptureCom in order to see if records for Safair, British Airways or Mango could be obtained. None of them, she suggests, have provided information indicating she travelled with them in the relevant period.
@StateCaptureCom Zondo asks if - in light of this - Mentor maintains she travelled with SAA. "That is my position, Chair [...] I stand by what I said," says Mentor who claims there is a "disjuncture" between SAA records and SAA records in Parliament via an in-house parliamentary travel agent.
@StateCaptureCom #StateCaptureInquiry Sello agrees, "SAA appears to have missed a flight or two as indicated in the Parliamentary record." She refers to information received from @ParliamentofRSA on flight details for Mentor. "This was received from Parliament," says Sello.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry "Now that flight is not the SAA record," says Sello referring to 15 October 2010 flight records. Sello highlights another SAA flight from November 2010 from Cape Town to Kimberley (return) which is not reflected in the SAA record to the @StateCaptureCom.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry "Are we sure where Mentor is at this stage about having travelled and not having travelled now that she has looked at that?" says Zondo. Sello says the records (from SAA and Parliament) do *not* reflect a Monday flight from Cape Town to Johannesburg (return).
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Mentor is persistent and insistent that she travelled on a Monday from Cape Town to Johannesburg via SAA, and during that trip she was taken to Saxonwold and met the then President. Sello notes that there may be doubt in Mentor's previous utterances.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA [COMMENT] #StateCaptureInquiry Sello asks if Mentor would want them to consider flights other than a Monday flight from Cape Town to Johannesburg via SAA. Mentor says no, but this reply will thwart any efforts to centre Guptas and the Former President around Saxonwold with her.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Sello indicates that two people want to cross examine Mentor: Advocate Mandla Mtolo previously of the Hawks and Lakela Kaunda previously of the @PresidencyZA have sought to cross examine her.
Sello says,"Mr Duduzane Zuma did not apply."
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA @PresidencyZA #StateCaptureInquiry Zondo says that Former President Jacob Zuma has not put up a version challenging what Mentor said about a meeting at #Saxonwold in 2010 during which she claims she was offered the Public Enterprises Minister job.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA @PresidencyZA #StateCaptureInquiry Zondo has repeated that he requested Zuma "furnish the Commission with his version." Zuma recently said he is not implicated in @StateCaptureCom testimony. Proceedings have adjourned, and are due to resume at 14:30.
[IMPORTANT] #StateCapatureInquiry Counsel for only two people are going to cross examine #VytjieMentor, likely beginning tomorrow. They are representatives for Lakela Kaunda and Mandla Mtolo. Sello has indicated Duduzane Zuma did *not* apply to cross examine Mentor.
#StateCaptureInquiry Proceedings resume. Zondo says that "it is quite important" that Mentor has said in her evidence she travelled on a Monday via SAA from Cape Town to Johannesburg. "I still maintain, Chair, that these records are not accurate," she says.
#StateCaptureInquiry Sello says she agrees with Zondo that if Mentor quibbles the accuracy of the records, then a witness from SAA must be brought forward to provide clarity on the flight records.
MT: #StateCaptureInquiry Sello refers to the transcript of Mentor's testimony on 27 November 2018, from page 51 (see below). "We are stuck with Monday," says Sello after noting Mentor's insistence she flew to Johannesburg from Cape Town on that day.
#StateCaptureInquiry "I would rather not take chances, I would rather have a thorough investigation of both," says mentor referring to the SAA records to @StateCaptureCom and @ParliamentofRSA records on her reported travel by plane.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiy "I am making an appeal that that should also be look into, says Mentor referring to her voyager number, which she suggests could also be used "to get to the bottom" of this question on whether or not she did in fact travel on a Monday.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Sello now refers to the in loco inspection of the #Saxonwold property of the Guptas which occured from about 09:30 to 12:30 on 3 December 2018. Sello says what she would call the raw footage of the inspection is available.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Sello asks that the video footage - both the raw footage and the edited version of about an hour and a half - be submitted as evidence. She says the edited version omits some walking around between properties.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry "The important thing is that there is homework to be done before any of these video recordings are put forward as submissions," says Zondo noting that the differences, and how material they are, and "how far the differences take us" needs to be considered.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Sello says that a structural engineer and an architect from the Department of Public Works attended the in loco inspection since it had been almost ten years since Mentor says she visited the #Saxonwold property. The two experts, says Sello, filed a report.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Sello refers to the brief the @StateCaptureCom issued and in paragraph eight there is a list of the features that Mentor testified to that they are requested to investigated. There will be five items, she says, including details of entrance(s) to bathrooms.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Per the brief the experts from Public Works were required to examine the following features at #Saxonwold:
• the staircase
• a pillar
• a mural
• the guest restroom (said to be the ladies' room) decorated in gold with golden taps and knobs, a gold mirror
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Sello says that there is a witness that will speak to the experts' report. "The report to a large extent [is] consistent with the video recording in terms of describing what was done," says Sello of the in loco inspection at #Saxonwold on 3 December 2018.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Zondo would like to hear from the experts. Sello says they are in the next room. The features found and not found (as the case may be) at #Saxonwold must be put to Mentor.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry "I have always spoken about the steps at the entrance," says Mentor adding that for her a staircases for her "it is what I have never said" whereas she spoke about steps, and - to her - there is an important distinction between the two.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry "We had also asked for the original plan of the house because it would also attest to if there were any changes," says Mentor. She is referring to the in loco inspection of the #Saxonwold property of the Gupta family.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Mentor says when she attended the in loco inspection on 3 December 2018 the metal balustrades on the wall were not on the boundary wall at 5 Saxonwold Drive when Mentor claims she entered the property in 2010.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry "I remember the gates opening after we spoke to, after we found a security guard [..] I am talking about what I narrated when we did the inspection," says Mentor.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Mentor says she can't retract from her memory whether or not the gate at the #Gupta property in #Saxonwold was solid in 2010 or if it was metal you could see through. She claims she remembers the tree.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Mentor previously mentioned "four or five houses" on the property at the #Gupta compound. Mentor says she did not recall a dividing wall in 2010, however, when the in loco inspection occurred in 2018 she saw one.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry "I queried the wall between number seven and number five," says Mentor. Sello says she is now trying to deal with exterior issues. She is confirming there is one house found at 5 Saxonwold Drive. The compound comprises four erven: 1, 3, 5, 7 Saxonwold Drive.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry Sello: The experts express a view that when Ms Mentor visited the property number seven was a building site.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA #StateCaptureInquiry The experts have used archive, historical satellite images of the #Saxonwold compound of the #Gupta family via @googleearth. Investigators have established that the Guptas own 1, 3, 5, 7 Saxonwold Drive, says Sello.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA @googleearth #StateCaptureInquiry "Steps we encountered were ten," says Sello of the inspection after noting Mentor initially testified there were five or six greyish white marble steps to the #Gupta house. "You know these stairs may have been reconfigured to make them smaller," she now says.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA @googleearth #StateCaptureInquiry "A feature that was not there in 2010," says Mentor of a boardroom stemming from the entrance hall or waiting area at 5 Saxonwold Drive. She describes another feature she highlighted which she says was not there in 2010.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA @googleearth #StateCaptureInquiry There is a reconstruction that has happened there, claims Mentor of the house at 5 Saxonwold Drive, where she claims she met a #Gupta brother in 2010 and at which she has testified she was offered the Public Enterprises Minister job.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA @googleearth #StateCaptureInquiry Mentor: I also commented about the position of the toilet seat and the basin. The bathroom looked a little bit dilapidated, it was a downgrade as compared to the house, the aura and the finesse of the house, it was very different from when I saw it in 2010.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA @googleearth #StateCaptureInquiry Mentor claims there was a little gold (not real gold) finishing in the bathroom and the mirror was gone. She says the pillar was not there when the inspection was done in late 2018 (she keeps saying November but it was actually undertaken in December).
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA @googleearth #StateCaptureInquiry "When did you write down, commit to paper what you had seen?" asks Zondo, while asking about the finer details and prominent features Mentor seems to recollect in great detail, things he - for one - thinks he would not remember.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA @googleearth #StateCaptureInquiry Mentor says that when she went to Italy's House of Deputies and Brazil's Parliament she took note of these property;s features, and their finer details. She continues: I don't know if it is me or it is my mind. I love art, Chair. I also love beautiful things.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA @googleearth #StateCaptureInquiry Mentor says that when she went to Italy's House of Deputies and Brazil's Parliament she took note of these properties' features, their finer details. She continues: I don't know if it is me or it is my mind. I love art, Chair. I also love beautiful things.
@StateCaptureCom @ParliamentofRSA @googleearth #StateCaptureInquiry Mentor says journalist Jan-Jan Joubert interviewed her about twice, asked for detail, and when she went public Mentor knew she needed to have those property details at hand in order to "prove" her reported visit to the #Saxonwold property in 2010.
This is pretty bad. Not one of the five features #VytjieMentor identified at the #Gupta home and which experts were tasked with investigating were identified during a December 2018 in loco inspection in #Saxonwold.

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