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why you shouldn't say "women and nonbinary people": a thread
1. It makes it sound like nonbinary people are some kind of subcategory or extension of women, which is not generally true.

There *are* nonbinary women and woman-aligned people! But it's not true for all nonbinary people/nonbinary people in general.
2. Grouping enbies with women perpetuates binary structures because you still end up with only two groups.
3. It often erases the existence of trans men.

I often see "women and enbies" used to mean "anyone who isn't a cis man" or "anyone who experiences gender-based discrimination"

but binary trans men exist and deserve better than to be ignored or listed as women+.
4. Women and enbies generally don't really have that much in common and it makes no sense to group them together.

When you say "women and enbies" what you really mean is probably "women and AFAB people" or "women and people perceived as women"
4.(cont) But AMAB enbies and enbies who are often read as men exist too!

And they're probably not who you're thinking of when you say "women and enbies".
5. And for those of us who are constantly assumed to be women when we really aren't,

it can be really painful to be listed as women+.
5.(cont) I constantly have to reassert myself as *not* a woman with my family, doctors, neighbors, lecturers, classmates etc etc

And then "allies" come along and list me as a woman or woman-adjacent anyway

a w e s o m e
6. Nonbinary isn't one specific gender, and grouping all nonbinary people with either binary group is reductive.
So think about what you want to say, and who you really are or aren't talking about!

And then phrase it in a way that doesn't exclude people you should be including, or include people who wouldn't want to be included.
I feel like I've done this exact thread before, but I still see people using "women and enbies" so whatever lol
I thought my point was clear but people keep @-ing and QTing me so:

I'm not saying trans men belong in women's spaces. I'm saying that I often see people saying "women and enbies"

when they mean "anyone who faces systemic discrimination based on their gender"
And since trans men often don't or only conditionally have the same privileges and opportunities as cis men,

they should be included *in some contexts*
Example: reading challenges that encourage you to read books by women and enbies

but ignore that trans men often don't have the same opportunities in publishing that cis men have
So, again: think about who you should be including in which context.

If you mean people who are perceived as women by outsiders, say that.

If you mean people who menstruate, say that.

If you mean anyone who experiences gender-based discrimination/violence, say that.
Your first step should always be to think about who you want to include in any given context and why,

And once you've done that, your second step should be making sure your phrasing doesn't

- include anyone who shouldn't be included

or

- exclude anyone who should be included
Another example: your #InternationalWomensDay lists of cool people should include

women and woman-aligned nonbinary people who are comfortable being included,

but not trans men or enbies who don't identify with womanhood and/or don't want to be included in women's spaces etc
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