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Thread: Did Admiral Rogers Attempt to Implicate President-elect Trump in a ‘Quid Pro Quo’?

[h/t @weaverpundit]

1. Joe DiGenova called ADM Rogers a “hero” for reporting apparent abuse of the FISA system by contractors discovered during a compliance audit:
2. Many others have proclaimed ADM Rogers as “Savior of the Republic”. I’m not ready to buy into this completely at this point without more direct evidence (as opposed to the speculative prevailing conventional wisdom).
2A. And what evidence is there that supports that theory? Here are his own words on discussing the subject of “Russian collusion” with @POTUS:

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2B. [C]ontrary to media reports, he [Rogers] "never had a discussion" about collusion with President Trump or other White House officials.
2C. "I've never had a discussion with collusion with the president of the United States," Rogers said. "I've never been directed to do anything, coerced -- any time I had a discussion I felt I was able to say, 'Hey, here's my view on that,'"
2D. Rogers said, "I'm very comfortable."

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Read the rest here: cbsnews.com/news/nsa-admir…
2E. Does that sound like someone who disclosed illegal spying on the Trump campaign and its ultimate political purpose during his famous Trump Tower visit after the election?
3. Fortunately, it has been reported that a transcript of ADM Rogers closed-door testimony will be released soon by Rep. Doug Collins (R-GA), which may help fill in a few holes.
washingtonexaminer.com/news/doug-coll…
4. Will the transcript support the claims theory that he disclosed illegal spying on President Trump? If so, his testimony will need to clear up some incongruent statements previously made by Rogers, as well as actions taken. Let’s go through the list:
5. 16 Nov 2016 – Shortly after the election, while the Russia Hoax was still in its infancy, ADM Rogers helped fuel the narrative.

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5A. The leader of the National Security Agency says there shouldn't be "any doubt in anybody's mind" that there was "a conscious effort by a nation-state" to sway the result of the 2016 presidential election. "There shouldn't be any doubt in anybody's mind," Rogers said.
5B. "This was not something that was done casually. This was not something that was done by chance. This was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily. This was a conscious effort by a nation-state to attempt to achieve a specific effect."

<end>
businessinsider.com/nsa-chief-nati…
5C. A reminder: Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election was a paltry and under-resourced affair that failed to change a single vote. Yet Rogers’ statements at a critical juncture added fuel to the false narrative that Russia actually affected the outcome of the 2016 election.
6. 17 Nov 2016 – ADM Rogers makes an unannounced visit to the Trump transition team in Trump Tower reportedly without notifying his chain of command. To this day, no one except the participants knows exactly what was discussed. More on this later in this thread ….
7. 20 Mar 2017 -- ADM Rogers is questioned by the House Intelligence Committee on claims made by @POTUS that the UK spy agency was involved in monitoring Trump Tower.

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7A. Asked at US Congressional hearings into the matter if he had requested British intelligence to intervene, Admiral Rogers said: "No sir, nor would I; that would be expressly against the construct of the Five Eyes agreement."
7B. Furthermore, he denied there was any involvement by the British and said he agreed with GCHQ’s assessment of the claims as “nonsense” and “utterly ridiculous”.
7C. Asked if the claims damaged the US-UK intelligence relationship, Admiral Rogers replied: "I think it clearly frustrates a key ally of ours."
7D. Democrat committee member Adam Schiff added: “It certainly wouldn’t endear the British intelligence service to continue working with us, would it?
7E. The NSA chief replied: “I believe that the relationship is strong enough that this is something we will be able to deal with.”

“But it is not helpful?” Mr Schiff asked.

“Yes sir,” Admiral Rogers responded.
7F. The NSA director also reacted to Mr Trump’s comments at a recent press conference with Angela Merkel that both the US President and the German chancellor had something in common – they had been wiretapped during Barack Obama’s administration.
7G. Admiral Rogers said those comments “certainly complicate things.”

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Read the rest here: …-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.indepe…
7H. Here is the report from CNBC discussing likely UK spying on the Trump campaign:

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"Adm Mike Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, refuted the allegation first made by a Fox News commentator and subsequently read aloud by White House spokesman ...
7H1. …Sean Spicer, that the U.S. asked a British intelligence agency to spy on Donald Trump during the presidential campaign.
7I. "I have seen nothing at the NSA that we engaged in such activity," Adm. Rogers said, adding that to ask the British to spy on a U.S. citizen would violate U.S. law.

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Read the rest here: cnbc.com/video/2017/03/…
7J. Next, watch this video; does this sound like someone who disclosed illegal spying during his Trump Tower visit?
cnbc.com/video/2017/03/…
7K. Of note, during the same March testimony, Rogers voluntarily admitted that the Russia Hoax began in the summer of 2015 when NSA first "became aware of activity" and passed the information along to their "FBI teammates."
7L. But he never had a conversation with the president about “Russia collusion” according to remarks made over a year later in Sep 2018 (refer to tweet #2C)! Watch this video starting at the 5:05 mark!
7M. Comment: To this day, @POTUS has not corrected his statement about spying on Trump Tower, and we are finding out more about the actually spying on his campaign by the FBI (and others!) with each passing day!
7N. In fact, here is a recent POTUS accusation when he tweeted a quote by former CIA analyst Larry Johnson:

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“Former CIA analyst Larry Johnson accuses United Kingdom Intelligence of helping Obama Administration Spy on the 2016 Trump Presidential Campaign.”
7O. “@OANN WOW! It is now just a question of time before the truth comes out, and when it does, it will be a beauty!”

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Read the associated article here: washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-tak…
7P. Comment: Would you take a bet that he’s been wrong about this claim? Then carry that thought one step further and ask yourself why ADM Rogers would “deny POTUS thrice before the cock crows” on UK spying. What did he know about UK spying, and when did he know it.
8. 7 Jun 2017 – ADM Rogers denies FISA abuse in testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee. He sat alongside DNI Dan Coats as Coats made the following comments, which we can only assume were previously reviewed by Rogers:

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8A. "The third item I would like to stress is that we are committed to ensuring that the intelligence community's use of 702 is consistent with the law and the protection of the privacy and civil liberties of Americans...
8B. And to that end, in the nearly 10 years since Congress enacted the FAA, there have been no instances of intentional violations of Section 702. I'd like to repeat that. In the nearly 10 years since Congress enacted the amendments to the Freedom Act...
8B1. ... the act that established FISA, there have been no instances of intentional violations of Section 702."

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8C. Senator Burr later questions ADM Rogers and FBI Dep Dir Andy McCabe directly:

<quote>
8D. Chairman Burr... This is to Admiral Rogers and to Director McCabe. Since Congress last authorized this authority in 2012... have there been any instances involving a deliberate or intentional compliance violation?
8E. ADM Rogers. Not that I'm aware of.

Chairman Burr. Director McCabe.

Director McCabe. No, sir.

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Here’s the link: intelligence.senate.gov/hearings/open-…
8F. Comment: We can conclude that ADM Rogers agreed with Andy McCabe in denying the occurrence of any deliberate/intentional FISA compliance violations. Has ADM Rogers ever corrected the record on this point, given what we have learned about certain FISA abuse in 2016?
9. 4 May 2018 – ADM Rogers retires after 37 years of active military service.
10. 11 Sep 2018 -- Here is ADM Rogers joining former CIA Dir Michael Hayden, former DNI James Clapper, and CNN pundit Phillip Mudd as they bash POTUS during a panel moderated by Nicole Wallace at George Mason University.
10A. Tell me if this performance looks like a strong defense of @POTUS and condemnation of IC abuses. Seems like furthering the anti-Trump narrative to me.
c-span.org/video/?451323-…
10B. During the discussion, ADM Rogers specifically "applauded" the way retired four-star Adm. William McRaven spoke out against the Brennan decision although he was “seemingly” critical of the dissent letter.
thehill-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/thehill.co…
10C. ADM Rogers also was mindful to point out that @POTUS “missed an opportunity in Helsinki” with Putin (without any direct knowledge of what the two leaders discussed privately!).
www-c--span-org.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.c-span…
11. Apr 2019 – The Mueller report is released. It contains information confirming newspaper reports that @POTUS may have “obstructed” through his interactions with government officials.
11A. Although he denies POTUS ever pressured him to do anything illegal, ADM Rogers and NSA Deputy Dir Ledgett memorialized a phone call with POTUS where he asked for help placing it in a safe.
www2.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/…
11B. Here’s what Trump has to say about people taking such notes:
11B1. [Statements are made about me by certain people in the Crazy Mueller Report, in itself written by 18 Angry Democrat Trump Haters, which are fabricated & totally untrue.
11B2. [Watch out for people that take so-called “notes,” when the notes never existed until needed. Because I never....]
11B3. [...agreed to testify, it was not necessary for me to respond to statements made in the “Report” about me, some of which are total bullshit & only given to make the other person look good (or me to look bad).
11B4. [This was an Illegally Started Hoax that never should have happened, a...]
11C. With the above serving as context, let’s go back to the Trump Tower visit during the transition…
12. 17 Nov 2016—Rogers visits Trump Tower.
www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nytime…
12A. Many in our corner of the conservative twitterverse claim ADM Rogers went there to warn Trump that he was essentially a target of the Deep State.
12B. But is there an alternative explanation? Was ADM Rogers at risk of being fired? Was he jockeying for a promotion to DNI in the new administration? Or was something else involved?
roughlyexplained.com/2018/08/fact-c…
13. 19 Nov 2016 – Two days later at the Halifax Conference, ADM Rogers only comment on the episode is:

“I’m accountable for my actions.”
usnews.com/news/articles/…
13A. Comment: What is that supposed to mean? Would he be held accountable for making such a high-profile visit without giving DNI Clapper and President Obama a heads-up beforehand? Nope.
13B. The below video is ADM Rogers’s response to a journalist at that conference. Please start the video at 42:25. This 7-part question encapsulates everything that we want to get to the bottom of re: ADM Rogers.
13C. Comment: Could it be his management style? Here is some commentary that may help explain:

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Two former intelligence officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that Rogers has never been embraced by NSA employees and has on various occasions alienated them.
13D. “I think his leadership style was very much born of the military world. He tells you what to do and you do it. You don’t question,” the former analyst said.
13E. “The problem is he’s leading a bunch of civilians at NSA who are free thinkers, and require critical thinking to do their job.”
13F. The former analyst said that complaints about office life and work-life balance have been a frequent subject of discussion around the water cooler and in meetings with top agency leaders.
13G. One U.S. official told The Daily Beast that Carter wanted Rogers to more aggressively hack ISIS so that it could not spread its propaganda worldwide or recruit new members.
13H. U.S. hackers did launch a campaign against the terrorist group aimed at disrupting its communications networks and trying to mislead fighters with false information. But the process stalled, and in Carter’s estimation, Rogers was not doing enough, the official said.
13I. It’s unclear whether the men disagreed about a specific program or an overall approach. But Carter also had designs on splitting the NSA and Cyber Command, both of which Rogers’s currently directs.
13J. The internal thinking at the agency has been that the NSA would in the future be led by a civilian, which would put Rogers was out of the running for the job.
13K. Rogers hasn’t been opposed to splitting the roles, but he has favored a slower approach, whereas Carter, joined by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, has pushed to implement the changes more quickly.
13L. With Rogers on the wrong side of a policy as his boss, and his support lacking among rank-and-file employees, he was in a politically perilous situation.
13M. One person familiar with internal discussions told The Daily Beast that last Wednesday, senior NSA officials “got wind” that the Post was preparing a story that would report Clapper and Carter’s recommendation to the White House that Rogers be removed from his position.
13N. The next day, Rogers met in New York with Trump.
13O. Rep. Devin Nunes, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, told The Daily Beast that it was no coincidence that as soon as it became clear Rogers might have a role in the Trump administration, his critics have come out against him.
13P. “This is even a new low even for these people,” Nunes said.

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Read the rest here: thedailybeast.com/why-did-team-o…
13Q. Comment: Why did Rogers make such a high-visibility approach to Trump? If he wanted to tip him, there were plenty of ways for Rogers to secretly warn Trump. Yet he is inconsistent in subsequent public remarks (tweets 2C and 7I through 7L) about illegal spying and collusion.
13R. But there may have been only one way to save his job (and maybe even get a promotion) – make a big public show at Trump Tower. Or was there an entirely different purpose of this visit yet to be revealed? Why did ADM Rogers want to be seen in such a dramatic fashion?
14. In the worst-case scenario, was ADM Rogers trying to set a trap for the President-elect that would be turned into an impeachable offense? It may sound like a wild theory, but it has a basis. Here’s a list – likely incomplete – of ways the Swamp tried to set-up Trump.
14A. On 5 Jan 2016, the infamous “by the book” meeting memorialized by Susan Rice occurred in Obama’s Oval Office.
14B. At the meeting, according to the Comey memos, DNI James Clapper directed Comey to privately brief the President-elect on only the most salacious parts of the Steele Dossier – to get the story “out there” and also ….
14B1. … to stimulate an emotional reaction and potentially harmful action by Trump to further the “muh Russia” narrative.
14C. The briefing occurred the following day when Comey visited the Trump Tower in NYC. Afterwards, Clapper promptly leaked the details to CNN’s Jake Tapper lending credibility to the story. Clapper admitted doing this in sworn testimony.
14D. You can read more here: washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/…
14E. Brennan, Clapper, and Comey delivered the “intelligence community assessment” on “Russian hacking” the same day at Trump Tower.
theguardian.com/us-news/2017/j…
14F. Shortly into Trump’s Presidency, Andy McCabe set up Reince Priebus to appear that he was “pressuring law enforcement.” McCabe leaked this to CNN.
foxnews.com/politics/fbis-…
14G. Rod Rosenstein reportedly offered to wear a wire in the presence of Trump (this could be disinformation from the coup plotters, admittedly).
14H. After Comey’s firing, Mueller reportedly interviewed with Trump for the job of FBI Director. But was he really there to collect evidence of “obstruction” instead?
theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/04/04/rob…
15. In the context of these “sting operations,” let’s entertain a hypothetical scenario explaining the highly public visit made to Trump Tower by Admiral Rogers on 17 November 2016.
15A. First, recall that on the previous day, 16 November, Rogers was fueling the “Russia meddled” narrative. See tweet #5 above. Then on 19 November, after the Trump Tower visit, several newspapers reported that Rogers was at risk of being fired by Obama.
15B. Did Rogers share any investigation details—true or untrue-- with Trump?

Did he “overhype” anything or “misdirect” Trump?

Did he confide in Trump that Clapper had supposedly recommended to Obama that he be fired?
15C. Was this a ploy designed to create a bond between the two? Did Rogers make a pitch for the job of DNI? Did he present himself as a “secret ally” to win Trump’s confidence or to get him to drop his guard?
15D. Did Rogers hint in the subtlest way possible to Trump that he could “manage” the Russia investigation if he were made DNI? Did he attempt to implicate Trump in a ‘quid pro quo’?
15E. Now imagine what would have happened if this leaked? Trump’s presidency would have been over before it started. But obviously Trump did not take the bait.
16. The next question naturally is: were the reports about “the threat of being fired” completely fabricated to cover up a failed sting operation? “I’m accountable for my actions,” Rogers said. Is he acting to make it appear that he had “gone rogue”?
17. As I stated at the beginning of this thread, I’m not ready into buy the “Rogers saved the country” narrative completely at this point without more direct evidence, ….
17A. … including more specifics on EXACTLY what was discussed during his Trump Tower visit, as well as his testimony under oath to Congress.
18. There is simply not enough clarity given his public statements since that meeting – from anyone! And there are definitely other possibilities as this thread has elucidated.
19. If I’ve learned anything in the Age of Trump, it’s to be skeptical of all narratives and supposed conventional wisdom about ANYBODY unless/until the facts are known. Can’t wait to see the transcripts of his testimony to find out a few more clues! ///The end.
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