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Aug 26, 2019 20 tweets 6 min read Read on X
Just woke up to a very big MMT twitterstorm inspired by some of @matthewstoller's tweets (currently visiting family in Oz). A few responses:

1. I find it honestly bizarre that someone would try to separate my institutional/monetary analysis from MMT, given that I learned what I
know through MMT and consider my work a direct extension of it (even as I don’t mean to presume other MMTers will agree with all of my views).

2. For example, I wrote my major writing credit paper in law school on the legalities of the platinum coin, which was inspired by the
MMT-informed legal analysis of Carlos Mucha, who first wrote about the coin on Warren Mosler’s blog. I remember at the time discussing the nitty gritty of legal and operational budgeting details with many MMTers, without whom I wouldn’t have come to the conclusions I did.
3. Shortly after, I was encouraged to apply for a research grant by Chris Desan, who I met through one of our MMN seminars as a ‘fellow traveler’ of MMT. Here is the paper that emerged from that grant, on mobile money, replete with citations to MMTers, Minsky, and building
directly on its core insights:

binzagr-institute.org/working-paper-…

4. After I wrote that paper, MMN held a seminar on payments systems, featuring @stf18 as a speaker (since he’s written a bunch on the ‘nitty gritty’ of payments from a MMT perspective):

modernmoneynetwork.org/symposia/payme…
5. Another speaker at that seminar was Brian King, from USAID’s mobile finance team, who was fascinated by the ‘macro’ implications of my MMT-inspired take on mobile money, and shared my paper around until it got to some of the people involved in eCurrency Mint, who asked me to
write a white paper on the macroeconomic implications of digital fiat currency, which I again did, using insights from MMT regarding monetary-fiscal coordination, safe assets, budget financing dynamics, etc:

ecurrency.net/media/document…
6. Since then, I have used a MMT framework consistently to inform my analysis when engaging with other digital currency specialists during my legal PhD which focuses on the legal design and regulation of digital currency. I wouldn’t have done any of that if I didn’t have my
background training in MMT, despite also learning directly from a number of other very prominent and insightful scholars of money and finance along the way.

7. I consider this project a self-assigned division of labor within the MMT collective, rather than something distinct
from it. Which is why I made sure we had a panel on digital currency at the first MMT conference, to keep ‘bringing back’ the fruits of my work to the broader collective:



8. In addition, I suggested we invite Brett Scott as a featured keynote speaker to
discuss the threat of digital surveillance posed by the war on cash, which was immediately accepted by the conference organizers, and Brett’s talk very well received by the broader MMT community:

9. I wouldn’t be doing any of this work, however, if I wasn’t supremely confident that others, including Stephanie, were doing a better job leading the charge on other issues (deficits, austerity, inflation, taxes, etc) than I ever could. I do my bit to contribute to those
debates when I think it useful, ie.:

ftalphaville.ft.com/2019/03/01/155…

papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf…

But a lot of my effort is devoted to boosting the work of others in the community who I agree with, which is why this attempt to split me from the is weird. For example, I was incredibly proud
to organize this event on Paying for the Green New Deal, featuring Stephanie, Pavlina, and others alongside myself:

payforgnd.org

11. In general, one of the great things about the MMT paradigm is how fruitful it is – how many new questions and areas it opens for
investigation, and how it allows for new connections between seemingly disparate areas of scholarship. I can guarantee, for example, the number of people involved in payments systems who are also thinking of its implications for, say, full employment, or macroprudential
regulation, are extremely low. Why do I connect those dots? Because of MMT. 12. As for Gerry Eptsein’s critique – I agree with my colleagues that it is a poor piece of scholarship, and erases the work of many MMTers for the sake of constructing a convenient, albeit false,
narrative that makes it easier for others to dismiss MMT. I was on a panel w Gerry only a month ago at a UK Law & Money event, suffice to say I do not agree in the slightest w his critiques of MMT, as many attendees who observed our back-and-forth can easily attest.
13. Lastly, I'd note as a non-American, who first came to MMT through the blog of a fellow Australian, Bill Mitchell, I find the constant erasure of non-US-centric MMT analysis by critics to be tiring and imperialistic. Some of us have ended up focusing on US matters for various
reasons, but that doesn't mean we get up every day thinking about how to perpetuate US empire - to the contrary, I care so much about the US precisely because I reject its enduring global superiority. So if you're going to take Gerry's critique seriously, which is your
prerogative, I suppose, it is worth taking seriously the fact many of the people that critique is directed at are, in fact, non-Americans focusing on non-American issues. If you can't think of their names, such that the only MMTers you're familiar with are US based, that's on you

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Nov 20
The most "serious" scholarly response to my coinage paper arg was that "sure, money is created out of nothing, but we can't **tell people that**".

I said that was elitist, and those with that view took offense and defended it by saying...this.

verdict.justia.com/2021/10/13/mon…Image
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There wasn't much to say in response after that, it was a real "if the shoe fits" situation. But it certainly hits differently after the election.

Either you respect the electorate enough to be honest with them or you don't.

Enough lies. They aren't noble, they're just lies.
In any event, glad all of us law professors have successfully ensured society avoided anarchy by keeping the hard truths to ourselves! Or whatever.
Read 4 tweets
May 18, 2023
Here's how to #mintthecoin

1) Biden announces a new "emergency budget stability and national security seigniorage fund" at Tsy, and declares that every day between now and June 1 Yellen will deposit another $10bn platinum coin into the fund until R's pass clean ceiling increase
2) Then, on June 1, Biden/Yellen will begin depositing $100bn coins in the fund.

Crucially tho, Biden announces he has no intention of using the fund if the debt ceiling is increased cleanly - if that happens, he will instead recall the coins and shut down the fund
3) If Rs refuse to vote for a clean debt increase, and we hit x-date, then Biden will stop minting more coins, and direct Sec Yellen to use the fund to cover daily spending until the previously accumulated balance is run down completely to zero or R's vote for a clean increase
Read 5 tweets
May 12, 2023
One of the most frustrating things about the debt ceiling/mainstream #MintTheCoin discourse is the complete erasure of non-tax, non-debt-issuance mechanisms for refilling the TGA that exist and occur *today*.
The Mint returns hundreds of millions in seigniorage annually. The Fed returns tens of billions.

These are not "taxes or borrowing" yet the media acts as if the platinum coin would be the first time any revenue has ever entered the TGA outside of bond sales/taxes
To take just one example in a sea of examples, this article by @imillhiser from 'explainer' Vox actively miseducates people as to how the government budget works.

vox.com/politics/2023/… Image
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May 11, 2023
[Very Serious Dems, in Charlie Kelly Voice]: "can we talk to you about the debt ceiling? We've been dying to talk to you about the debt ceiling all day." Image
"So we have 3 ways of dealing with the ceiling.

The first is the plain meaning of legislation. We just basically ignore that. We figure, if Congress thought it was important for us to use existing law to avoid default, they'd have given us the legal authority to do so." ImageImage
"The second is extraordinary measures. We just take existing funds, and move them around in our accounts, and that buys us a few more months of debt issuance." Image
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May 8, 2023
This is not the right way to do this, imo.

There are still options that Biden hasn't used (Ie the platinum coin) which means the ostensible tension between the debt ceiling and spending commitments doesn't actually exist yet.

14A should be invoked *after* coin is attempted.
I'd also have just issued the bonds and waited for others to sue rather than preemptively suing. Permission vs forgiveness, and all that.

But important to note: if the Court rejects this arg, then the coin remains a viable alternative since it's a legal way to finance spending.
At a more fundamental level, the entire premise of this argument is that the executive branch can only either tax or borrow to raise funds - but this is empirically and conceptually false. The executive branch also *creates* money, its the most fundamental power. Missing 4th leg.
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Mar 3, 2023
Extremely excited to see this piece on "Paths Toward an Acceptable Public Digital Currency" by Jay Stanley at the @ACLU:

aclu.org/paths-toward-a…
Some key highlights/personal favs:

1) Acknowledging from the outset that while a public digital dollar and CBDC are often conflated, the former could also be issued by the Treasury Department

(For more on this, see my Congressional testimony here: rohangrey.net/files/testimon…).
2) Pointing out that all the major forms of privately intermediated digital payments - that the Fed is using as the baseline/status quo from which a CBDC is ostensibly building on top of - have huge privacy & censorship & inclusion/access issues relative to publicly issued cash
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