I'm getting a lot of the same responses to the thread on Zakir Naik. Most of them were already pre-empted in the thread itself but as expected, his fans weren't paying attention. I'll just type it out here so I don't have to repeat myself
1. "Why do you hate him"

I don't hate Zakir Naik. Even during his controversial speech recently, he spoke in such a friendly and amiable manner that I find him hard to hate. I'm soft like that. He seems like a nice guy, but I don't find him good as a preacher
2. "Your thread is biased"

On the contrary, I gave him credit where he deserves it. I commended him for his knowledge, his memory, and his charisma, but I criticised his methods, his interpretations, and his mistakes
3. "I don't believe he made mistakes"

Theological questions are subjective, but factual errors are undeniably wrong, no matter who corrects him. If Zakir Naik gives incorrect population statistics, it is simply wrong and has no room for opinions
4. "I don't like the links you sourced from"

I didn't use them as sources; most of it was information I already knew. I gave links and screenshots to elaborate each point or else I'd have to write entire articles instead of single tweets
5. "Those sources are anti-Islam"

No, they're critical of Islam just as Zakir Naik is critical of every other religion. If his arguments are strong, they should be able to hold up against all opposing views, even those that are anti-Islam
6. "I won't listen to what non-Muslim sources say"

If Zakir Naik is speaking about other religions, you should naturally look into the response from that religion's followers and experts. That's called hearing both sides
7. "It's one-sided if you don't say this in front of him"

That makes no sense. Almost everything I wrote has been brought up by others before but Zakir Naik never responded to them, and refused to debate with them
8. "They'll say anything because they hate him"

See number 3. If Zakir Naik misquotes the Bible, he has made a mistake. It doesn't matter if the person correcting him is a Christian apologist or not
9. "He's debated Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and William Campbell"

Those people are not debaters. It takes more than knowledge to win a debate. For the debate to mean anything, he has to go up against an experienced debater who's familiar with debate strategies and methodology
10. "You're not giving things from the other perspective"

Actually that's exactly what I am doing. Zakir Naik's supporters have only ever heard his perspective and accepted it without hearing the other side. That is what I provided in my thread
11. "He'll be killed in India"

Possibly, but I didn't say he should necessarily be sent back to India. Since he reportedly holds Saudi Arabian citizenship, why not send him there? Malaysia has nothing to do with him
12. "We can just give him citizenship"

You'd be willing to grant citizenship to a foreigner who doesn't speak a word of Malay and knows nothing about local history or culture? That sets a dangerous precedent in making our country a refuge for Muslim fugitives
13. "The allegations against him aren't true"

I didn't accuse him of those crimes. I said all are unproven and that I personally don't believe he's a terrorist. But I do believe he should be investigated and allowed to prove his innocence
14. "Then why do you reject him"

Because he doesn't make a good case for Islam except among the gullible. I disagree with his interpretations, he misrepresents other religions, he's dishonest when he wants to win, and recently he made racist remarks. There are better choices
15. "Only liberals won't support him"

Orthodox Sunni authorities in Bangladesh, India, and elsewhere are all liberal? And anyway, I don't have a problem with liberals. That word doesn't mean what you think
16. "I still stand by him as a brother in Islam"

Evidently you didn't read the thread then

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Aug 22, 2023
Two reasons. For one thing, it's a simple matter of language. Many Malays, including those who are fluent in English, don't know what liberal means. It's the reason why in Malaysia, liberal just means "anything I disagree with", much in the same way they misunderstand "consent"
The other reason is the popular American use of liberal to mean the left-wing, with "conservative" meaning the right. This isn't what either of those terms mean but for certain historical reasons it's become accepted usage worldwide
While the fear of "liberals" goes back to around the 2000s, Malays didn't adopt the word conservative on a large scale until much more recently, especially after the late 2010s
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I got around to watching Mat Kilau. Now I'm sure you've all heard enough about this film already, but I kept my mouth mostly shut until now so I think there are a few points that deserve to be reiterated
This won't be a review but I will start by saying that the movie is entertaining and moves at a steady pace. The silat choreography is decent but ruined by shaky camera. Please can we do away with the shaky cam?

Many have already pointed out the movie's numerous historical inaccuracies. It would take forever to go deeply into them, but for those interested, here's an article by the historian Ranjit Singh Malhi

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Sep 20, 2022
You mean like how you consider Zakir Naik an authority on Christianity, Hinduism, etc?
Also "berotoriti" is even more annoying to see than "komited". So much for upholding the Malay language
So is themerdekatimes an authority on Christianity? What their link says isn't that it's forbidden for Christians, but that it's not biblical. The source is a Protestant website which says that RIP is a Catholic thing without a biblical basis
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Sep 20, 2022
Things UNESCO never said
Also note how every place on the map is labelled with its modern name except peninsular Malaysia is "Tanah Melayu", which Cendekiawan Palsu presumably believes is the old name for the country
He's talking about outdated race science, which uses the term Malay for all Austronesian-speaking groups as a single racial category. No academic takes this seriously today. Malay is an ethnicity, not a race. Not all Austronesian-speakers are Malay

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Since this appears to be genuine, I'll reply without being snarky and in a way that even the uninformed from outside Malaysia can understand. The Patriots is a publishing company who release books and also post articles on social media

I've read their posts, their articles and a couple of their books for a few years, though I haven't really kept up during the past year. Nonetheless, my criticism of TP is not blind hatred and I have good reason to call them dangerous
By their own admission, TP is firmly right-wing (although they erroneously use this term interchangeably with "conservative"). Their founders and writers are entirely right-wing to varying degrees. The co-founder is a self-proclaimed Malay nationalist
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