Not sure why you are here today, if there are issues with employment disagreements, there is a more appropriate setting. Ambassador is not a fact witness to any accusations.
Q: You were asked what you wanted to do next?
A: Yes I am grateful after what happened.
Q: We understand that you dont have a lot of facts and info relating to the part of this we are investigating from 5/20-9/11
A: She acknowledges.
A: I heard about the call from George Kent.
Q: What were you told?
A: As it turns out it wasnt correct, but I recall he said that POTUS had asked Zelensky whether he could help him out (Which I understood to be these investigations)
Q: You weren't involved int he hold of foreign assistance?
A: That is correct.
A: He is the Charge, not the Ambassador- a man of the highest integrity.
Q: You testified abotu when you learned Giuliani had a concerted campaign against you- when did you learn?
A: In Nov Dec of 2018 rumors
A: in February of 2019, he said that Mr. Lutsenko was working with Giuliani through Parnass and Fruman, that they basically wanted to remove her from post and that they were working on that.
A: I didn't understand at all because I had never met them?
Q: Were you influential in affecting policy that was averse to them?
A: The general idea that one of our most important functions is to facilitate US business abroad
A: No, no purpose- he clearly had I would say an animus for doing this, and he was working with Americans, so I reached out to the state department.
A: Strong word, we were pushing them to do what he had said they were going to do. He didn't do any of that. We kept on encouraging him to do the right thing.
A: When you go into a job and they ask "Will you be leaving" that is concerning
NOTE: THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING TO THE POTUS SINCE THE DAY HE TOOK OFFICE
Q: has there ever been any focus on reexamining these issues?
A: There have been some efforts, and the US was welcoming to Lutsenko, but he didn't do that.
Q: Was the perception problem of Biden on the board brought to your attention?
A: I was aware because in prep for confirmation, there was a question.
A: I am now, but it wasn't brought to my attention during the years I have served under the Trump admin.
A: We didn't see it that way
Q: Did you know about Chalupa?
A: Didn't have further information, it was brought to my attention both at the time and subsequently
A: I was the ambassador starting in August of 2016, and what you are describing took place in the US. If there were concerns about that, it would have been handled here.
Q: Do you know her?
A: I dont believe so
Q: Was there anything about that that concerned you?
A: I certainly noticed it because I was a week or so away from arriving. From a Ukranian perspective, I think that Ukranians weren't worried
Q: You can understand POTUS concluding there are elements of Ukranian establishment that are advocating against him?
A: Lushenko published the ledger as journalists would do, but I dont have info to suggest it was targeting Trump
Q: Some question if the info published is all correct or doctored?
A: I wasn't aware of that
A: Not often
Q: Can you see how writing an op-ed like that, might create a perception that there are elements against POTUS
A: My recollection is he was critical of a policy position about Crimea.
A: I dont know
Q: Also, minister (cant spell) said bad things about Trump
A: I wasn't aware of this before seeing it in depo
Q: He is influential in Ukraine, right?
A: Probably not appropriate, but Minister has been a good partner to the US.
Q: All of these people form basis that made it appear as though there were many out to get POTUS
Q: Do you have the right to ask the CIA what they are doing?
A: Yes. Because sometimes operations have political consequences.
A: I wouldnt want to think what would happen
Q: If I cast votes because someone bribed me it would be an abuse of power. Why did the president decide that you should be removed, because I think we agreed if it wasn't
Q: No - again, our intelligence community determined that it was Russia
Q: Thank you for your service. I would like to focus on after phone call. Any time ambassador changes post, you get to pick where you go
A: When I came back nothing was set up, and I recall that there was the fellowship
A: I was supposed to teach two but I am teaching one, on National Security.
Q: Any other responsibility to state?
Q: Compensation affected?
Q: Any negative treatment from folks at state?
A: An outpouring of support from colleagues
A: There is a question as to why the campaign to get me out of Ukraine happened, in my line of work all we have is our rep, (which she confirmed is fine)
You would have to work with France and UK and Germany, etc. You would have to work with NGO's Human trafficking, etc
A: I would agree (cut off) all EU ambassadors deal with EU countries but unusual to appoint to Ukraine
Q: Ambassador Holbrook was a man of great rep?
A: It depends
A: There wasnt any progress in the three overall objectives