I've been dreading this, but I think we need to reconsider the issue of steroid in COVID-19. This is extremely complicated, especially for two reasons...(1/7) #COVID19foam
1st level of complication = patients vary a lot!
- Most require minimal care
- Many just need low flow oxygen
- Few develop cytokine storm and multiorgan failure
- Many are somewhere in-between
It may be *impossible* to render any blanket statement for all patients. (2/7)
2nd level of complication = disease goes thru phases in any patient
Rarely: later surge of adaptive immunity causes cytokine storm. Immunosuppression potentially good here?? (3/7)
currently best data on COVID-19 is a retrospective series of patients in Wuhan by Wu et al. this study has *lots* of limitations (e.g., single center, variety of different treatments used, most patients not intubated)
(study: bit.ly/33q6Uou)(4/7)
among patients with ARDS, methylprednisolone use correlated with improved survival. this is notable, because generally steroid is used for sicker patients (who will do *worse*). so is steroid actually causing benefit here?? (5/7)
it's impossible to know. this study suggests that it's reasonable to treat patients with ARDS plus systemic inflammation (e.g. markedly elevated CRP) with moderate doses of steroid (e.g. 0.5-1 mg/kg methylprednisolone).
(article: bit.ly/2Uf8tSa)(6/7)
steroid is a nonspecific immunosupressive. more targeted immunomodulators might be superior (e.g. tocilizumab). but for now, this is what we have. dexamethasone could be superior b/c it causes less fluid retention.
(more on steroid in IBCC here: bit.ly/3db51Re)(7/7)
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how to place a consult: you MUST understand the five stages of consultant grief.
once you can understand this painful and natural process, requesting consults will make a LOT more sense
buckle up, it can be a little rough…
🧵 1/6…
stage 1: denial
- You dont need a consult.
- You called the wrong service.
- 18 years old? consult pediatrics
- I’m not actually on call now
- Everything’s fine, just walk it off…
stage 2: anger
- you should have consulted us earlier/later
- you should have checked this test before calling us
- you’re a terrible doctor/student/human being