Listen:
I rewatched Infinity War.
Peter Quill is the worst human being in the entire Marvel Universe.
Yes, worse than the Red Skull.
And seeing as he's only half human and was raised in space, he really stepped up to bring home that "Worst Human in the Universe" title.
I rewatched Infinity War.
Peter Quill is the worst human being in the entire Marvel Universe.
Yes, worse than the Red Skull.
And seeing as he's only half human and was raised in space, he really stepped up to bring home that "Worst Human in the Universe" title.
If Guardians 3 doesn't have ten minutes of the entire crew dunking on Quill for being the one that enabled Thanos to kill half the universe then it ain't worth seeing.
And Tony Stark is also terrible, except his fuckup there didn't end half of the universe.
Stark later apologized by dying, which was decent of him.
Stark later apologized by dying, which was decent of him.
BUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HIS PENIS WAS SAAAAAAAAAD
The replies to this have been special.
You do realize that a real live writer made the choices *for* Quill, yes? That the character has no agency, nor emotion, nor motivation beyond what's assigned to him?
It was an idiotic turn to force the third act. That's the problem.
You do realize that a real live writer made the choices *for* Quill, yes? That the character has no agency, nor emotion, nor motivation beyond what's assigned to him?
It was an idiotic turn to force the third act. That's the problem.
And people pointing out the Tony thing in Civil War ...
HEY WOW SAME PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF BOTH MOVIES WHERE TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS MAKE THE SAME IDIOTIC CHOICE JUST TO FORCE THE STORY IN THE DESIRED DIRECTION WHAT A COINKIDINK
HEY WOW SAME PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF BOTH MOVIES WHERE TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS MAKE THE SAME IDIOTIC CHOICE JUST TO FORCE THE STORY IN THE DESIRED DIRECTION WHAT A COINKIDINK
I love the Marvel movies, but that doesn't mean there hasn't been some terrible choices made.
Peter Quill going from loveable loser to Manchild Facilitator of the Worst Genocide in History is one of them.
Peter Quill going from loveable loser to Manchild Facilitator of the Worst Genocide in History is one of them.
Tony was never that guy. Not in any of the movies. Not once. Not ever. Not even when he thought the dude had killed Pepper.
But the filmmakers needed him to be that guy so badly because otherwise Tony and Cap probably would have (angrily) talked it out.
But the filmmakers needed him to be that guy so badly because otherwise Tony and Cap probably would have (angrily) talked it out.
This is one of the problems of the MCU: it terms of creators, it's been a game of musical chairs.
Feige has been the steward, but different directors and writers have passed the talking stick around over a *decade* of interconnected films.
Feige has been the steward, but different directors and writers have passed the talking stick around over a *decade* of interconnected films.
Gunn's Peter Quill is not the Russos' Peter Quill. Favreau's Tony Stark is not the Russos Tony's Stark. They've (mostly) made it all work, but sometimes the loveable space-orphan dork suddenly loses his shit and gives Space Hitler the assist.
Call it character assassination.
Call it character assassination.
Let's appreciate the situation the writers put the character in:
Everyone is standing there, begging, pleading with Quill on behalf of half the people in the entire universe. He knows the stakes.
And Quill decides to indulge his anger.
That's worse.
Everyone is standing there, begging, pleading with Quill on behalf of half the people in the entire universe. He knows the stakes.
And Quill decides to indulge his anger.
That's worse.
The Russos decided that Quill would knowingly make the decision to fuck half the universe just so he could have a hissy fit.
That's beyond stupid. The writing makes him evil.
And again, they just did this to move us back to Earth for the big fight at the end.
That's beyond stupid. The writing makes him evil.
And again, they just did this to move us back to Earth for the big fight at the end.
When the character had to make a decision that would define him, the writers not only had him make a bad decision, they had him become culpable for genocide.
Just. Just drink that in, for a second.
That's why Quill is the worst: they made him that way.
Just. Just drink that in, for a second.
That's why Quill is the worst: they made him that way.
But then they couldn't have gotten back to the centerpiece battle on Earth.
Do you see how it just keeps getting worse the more you think about it?
Do you see how it just keeps getting worse the more you think about it?
There were plenty of ways to do it without explicitly making it Quill's fault.
But Quill's idiot, selfish moment was a deliberate choice on the part of the writers.
But Quill's idiot, selfish moment was a deliberate choice on the part of the writers.
"But Dr. Strange!"
Oi. You folks are killing me.
Dr. Strange's future sight? That's a contrivance. The writers made that up, too.
They chose for Quill to be that person and make that choice. Using another choice they made to justify it is ... weird.
Oi. You folks are killing me.
Dr. Strange's future sight? That's a contrivance. The writers made that up, too.
They chose for Quill to be that person and make that choice. Using another choice they made to justify it is ... weird.
... I want to hug you.
Thanks for helping me make an excellent point here:
We regard characters as people, but they're not. They're people-shaped expressions of theme. They're used to express ideas and concepts in a relatable way.
And what they used Quill to express was bad.
We regard characters as people, but they're not. They're people-shaped expressions of theme. They're used to express ideas and concepts in a relatable way.
And what they used Quill to express was bad.
I mean ... when people are literally begging you not to do the thing because half of everyone alive is at stake, and you know that, and you do the thing anyway just because you want to indulge your anger ...
Yeah, in scale and scope? That's way worse.
Yeah, in scale and scope? That's way worse.
Oh wow, if Gunn makes the decision to let Quill and Gamora be over ...
That would be a brave and exciting choice, and the internet would come for his head.
That would be a brave and exciting choice, and the internet would come for his head.
This was the dude who risked his life for a whole planet when everyone else wanted to run, got his team on board with that, and was ready to die by way of the Power Stone to stop Ronan.
That's what Quill represents. That's not what he was in Infinity War.
That's what Quill represents. That's not what he was in Infinity War.
Now obviously, the theme of a character can change over time. Look at Cap, Tony, Bruce, etc.
But from the two Guardians films preceding Infinity War, if anything Quill's theme was growing beyond self-interest and impulsiveness.
(Also is it me or was he WAY dumber in IW?)
But from the two Guardians films preceding Infinity War, if anything Quill's theme was growing beyond self-interest and impulsiveness.
(Also is it me or was he WAY dumber in IW?)
The very fact this arguement even exists means what happened in Infinity War has to be addressed in Guardians 3.
Reconciled? I dunno, but if Gunn ignores it then it'll be an elephant in the room.
Reconciled? I dunno, but if Gunn ignores it then it'll be an elephant in the room.
Oh lord I was grinding my teeth from that.
Where was the dude from Guardians 2 that sacrificed divinity for the sake of the universe? What happened to him?
Where was the dude from Guardians 2 that sacrificed divinity for the sake of the universe? What happened to him?
Everyone outraged by the fact I'm pointing out Quill made what amounts to an "evil" decision in Infinity War:
Watch IW/EG.
Beyond the "WHERE'S GAMORA" bit, count how many times the Russos just straight up shit on Quill.
It's bizarre.
Watch IW/EG.
Beyond the "WHERE'S GAMORA" bit, count how many times the Russos just straight up shit on Quill.
It's bizarre.
From right where I'm sitting, all those self-interested assholes out marching to "reopen America" knowing full well the result is higher body count? (Or choosing to believe otherwise for their own self-interest?)
That's ... that's actual evil. E-V-I-L.
That's ... that's actual evil. E-V-I-L.
He tried. He even had something that resembled a plan!
And then nobody listened to him and did their own thing because the film repeatedly shits on Quill.
And then nobody listened to him and did their own thing because the film repeatedly shits on Quill.
