Thread by @A_i_n_z

Thread: Why you should switch from Dubs to Subs.

In simple words, because you are not watching the creaters original work but a western adoption of it. (1/n)

https://twitter.com/PranjalUvaach/status/1264617312084164609

When anime gets dubbed from Japanese to English many tiny details, like references to obscure Japanese culture, will be omitted and replaced by references to western culture.
Which in turn effects the characterization & world building. (2/n)

You will be missing out on plenty of Easter-eggs.
Let me give you an example. In JoJo's Bizarre adventure a Clint Eastwood reference was changed to Overwatch (videogame) reference to better cater to western audience. (3/n)

"But Ainz what if there is no Clint Eastwood reference? It doesn't change much"
No, it changes a lot. Creator of JoJo 'Hirohiko Araki' took inspiration from Clint Eastwood when creating Jotaro.
Sub watcher will find plenty of Easter-eggs regarding this where as...(4/n)

Dub watcher is left with nothing.

Knowing that Jotaro was inspired by Clint Eastwood helps to add a new layer to Jotaro's character, making us look at him in a slightly different manner.
Tiny details matter. It is those tiny details that Dub watchers will be missing out (5/n)

There are many such instances where change in tiny details changes characterization.
Ex: During a tournament Goku says to Gohan whether he could beat them all, Gohan responds humbly "I'll do my best". In the dub he says "Geez no pressure dad". (6/n)

This simple change turned Gohan's characterization from humble but confident to arrogant. That is why tiny details are extremely important. (7/n)

Let's take another example from the anime BOFURI. In here the character Maple, after getting attacked by pretty much everyone but still coming in 3rd place, says "I took a pounding but I liked it". It was a joke, a sexual innuendo. (8/n)

In the dub it was translated as "It was tough but I'm happy". Another tiny detail lost. (9/n)

Dubbing studios generally change the dialogue slightly to match the lip movement, but this problem never arises for subs because of the simple reason that Animators and Artists already have the script to which they have to draw the lip movements. (10/n)

Because of this simple reason even sloppy voice actors will have no problem lip-syncing. Coming to VAs, they put all of their heart and soul into their voice. I personally never felt the same intensity or emotion when watching dub. (11/n)

It is not just the absence of tiny details but, Dub watchers will be exposed to far more subtle & sinister elements.
I'm talking about insertion of political agenda into Anime. Permit me to give some examples. (12/n)

In the anime 'Demi-chan wa Kataritai' they inserted the word Social Justice Warrior for no reason. It was used against a good female character who was standing up for her friend who is being bullied. (13/n)

The original sub had no such words. (14/n)

In the anime 'Hajimete no Gal' they made a parody of Trumps speech. It was not found in sub (15/n)

In that same anime they butchered this scene completely. Here's original sub. (16/n)

Here is the dub. You can see clearly that they tried to insert feminist world view. (17/n)

Here is how the dialogues are changed. (18/n)

In the anime 'Highschool of the dead' they referenced 'Sarah Palin' a republican politician. A joke about how republicans are gun hoarders. (19/n)

Unsurprisingly original sub does not refer Sarah Palin. (20/n)

In the original sub of the anime 'Isekai wa smartphone to tomo ni' the character says "I would rather believe a closet pervert who controls himself, than a feminist". (21/n)

In the dubbed version they completely changed that dialogue to remove any references to feminism. (22/n)

In the anime 'Miss Kobayashi’s Dragon Maid' they inserted "pesky patriarchal societal demands". Here is a comparison between sub and dub. (23/n)

The original version vs the dubbed version. Notice the change in dialogues. (24/n)

In that same anime they inserted the phrase 'cultural appropriation'. (25/n)

The original sub does not have any such phrases. (26/n)

The dubbed version of the anime 'Prison School' references "Gamergate Creeps". Anyone who follows what's happening in western countries knows what 'Gamergate' is. (27/n)

The original line in the sub and manga is "But I'm a second year. You have to address a superior more politely". Just imagine how drastic this change is. After heavy backlash from angry anime fans they removed the Gamergate reference. (28/n)

In the anime 'To Love Ru' they changed the line from "That's old fashioned" to "That's misogynistic". (29/n)

Here is the total dialogue. Sub vs Dub. (That's old fashioned/that's crude - depending which subs are on the video) (30/n)

This is not some conspiracy theory that I'm saying. Studios like Funimation insert woke/feminist agenda into their dubbed versions. Most veteran weebs are aware of this. Here is a Funimation VA and script writer (for some anime) admitting it. (31/n)

Note: This is not about how subbed anime is conservative, there are plenty of anime with leftist agendas.
I'm giving you all these examples to show you what kind of problems that Dub-watchers have to deal with that sub-watchers don't. (32/n)

I believe most of you can tell the difference between translation and adoption.
Here is a simple rule of the thumb.
Subbed = Translation
Dubbed = Adoption. (33/n)

Dubbed anime cater primarily to western audience. And to do so they change the content of the original anime (sometimes slightly, sometimes drastically).
And because they change the content of the original work they should be called ADOPTATIONS not TRANSLATIONS. (34/n)

Again, I'm not saying all dubs are bad. There are plenty of amazing dubs. Cowboy bebop, Yu Yu Hakusho, Ghost Stories deviated very much from the original but they were excellent dubbed anime. (35/n)

In fact 'Ghost stories' anime was super obscure in Japan and it only regained some recognition BECAUSE of the notoriety of the dub. The dub is absolutely hilarious and a must watch. (36/n)

Dubbed anime are completely different from the original work. They should be looked at as if they are a different anime. Here is what creator of 'Ghost in the shell' Mamoru Oshii has to say about this. (37/n)

End of the thread. Thank you for reading. (38/38)