Thread by @gmcantave1

PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS WHILE I AM WRITING IT/POSTING IT. SAVE YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL YOU SEE THE CAPTION, THE END.
I decided to break this thread into 2 different threads because it was running long+

This first part of the thread is gonna present my PERSONAL thoughts, feelings, and observations on the BLM movement (AS A BLACK ARMY) in relations to the BTS fandom (not the entirety of the kpop world, or even the western pop world and their fandoms), to ARMY and their response+

to this movement.
And the second part which I will post tomorrow night will include my own thoughts, feelings, and observations on BTS’s response to the movement. It will also include my PERSONAL statements on some reasonings and actions I saw on my TL these past few days+

that PERSONALLY pissed me off, that I found appalling, hypocritical or just plain uneducated (I mean dumb as fuck). These statements are based on my PERSONAL observations, Critical thinking, and deductive reasoning based on FACTS, AQUIRED KNOWLEDGE and good old COMMON SENSE.+

I’m about to call out a whole bunch of shit and a whole bunch of people and if you fall into any of the categories that I call out, or you feel called out, or you feel offended by these threads, I suggest you think about why you feel the way you feel, and find a way to deal with+

by either making some changes (AKA educating yourself, working to understand and change the behavior that I called out) or by fucking off (aka UNFOLLOW ME, BLOCK ME, or JUST STOP READING THE THREAD).+

I WILL START BY SAYING THIS, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STATE OF THE WORLD, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR DUMB/STUPID PEOPLE, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR UNEDUCATED PEOPLE, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR RACIST PEOPLE, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR FAKE PEOPLE, I AM CERTAINLY NOT RESPONSIBLE +

FOR SICK PEOPLE, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HYPOCRISY/HYPOCRITES.
But WHEN I can, and IF I can, and especially if I find it NECESSARY, I MAKE IT MY RESPONSABILITY to point out the STUPIDITY when I see it or if I see it , to point out the LACK OF EDUCATION +

when I see it or if I see it, to point out the Racism when I see it or if I see it, To point out the FALSETY/FALSEHOOD when I see it or if I see it, and to point out the HYPOCRISY and the SICKNESS when and if I see it.
Why? because I BELIEVE SOME things can change, and SOME+

people can change if given the opportunity to do it, but also that CHANGE starts with SEEING what’s wrong, POINTING OUT what’s wrong, UNDERSTANDING WHY it’s wrong, acknowledging what’s wrong and that it in fact is wrong, talking about it, and finding solutions and compromises+

together in a FAIR/EQUITABLE WAY, on a FAIR/EQUITABLE playing FIELD, and SYSTEM. Notice I said I BELIEVE; my beliefs are my own. If you agree with them good for you, and if you don’t agree good for you too, THAT AINT MY PROBLEM so don’t come telling me what the fuck to believe +

in (COLONIZERS, DICTATORS, AND OPPRESSORS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR THE LONGEST TIME). NOTICE I DIDN’T SAY WHITE PEOPLE, I SAID COLONIZERS, DICTATORS AND OPPRESSORS. BIG BOLD LETTERS FOR THOSE WHO CAN’T FUCKING READ RIGHT.
Now Imma explain why I didn’t say White people in the +

2nd part of the thread but first Let me spell out some things for you.
 ARMY are BTS fans but not all BTS fans are ARMY, let’s make that distinction before we even start. It is a FACT. Because our name stands for Adorable Representative MC for Youth and that this name was +

given to us by BTS themselves and they chose it because they wanted ARMY to be their armour and their support and for ARMY to always be there for them, support them in their mission. And if you can’t do that or are not willing to do that then you are not ARMY, you are just +

a BTS FAN.
If you are racist, you are not ARMY. If you are a BIGOT, you are not ARMY. If you are HOMOPHOBIC or TRANSPHOBIC, you are not ARMY, If you are a bully, you are not ARMY. If you enjoy  oppressing people, and diminishing their worth and their value, YOU ARE NOT ARMY.+

Because BTS does not stand for BIGOTRY, RACISM, OPRESSION, and INJUSTICE. I said I SAID.
 As ARMY we represent them, just as much as they represent us whether we want to or not. Our actions as ARMY reflects on their image, and so do theirs on ours.+

However, that does not mean that we speak for them, and it does not mean that they speak for us because while we are a collective, we are also individuals, with rights and we should know our boundaries and respect them.+

We function much like a mini society, I didn’t say government, I didn’t country, I said society. So basic social courtesy and rules should be observed and respected. And because we are a Global society and a diverse one, which means of all ages, of all races, of all genders,+

of all sexualities, of all social classes and basically of kinds, we are not homogeneous. Therefore, we cannot expect Homogeneous thoughts or cultures or actions. And before we were ARMY, we were/are HUMAN, and before they are BTS, they were/are HUMAN.+

So between us, ARMY TO ARMY, BTS TO ARMY, and ARMY TO BTS, basic human rights should be observed as well and respected and practiced which includes freedom of expression but Imma drop the definition of human rights for those of you who don’t know what they are.

Before I am ARMY, I am part of an ethnic group and then part of a family, and then a citizen/inhabitant of the country that I live in and are bound by the laws of said country, influenced by the cultural setting of said country as well as the customs of my ethnic group,+

and then part of a family, and then a citizen/inhabitant of the country that I live in and are bound by the laws of said country, influenced by the cultural setting of said country as well as the customs of my ethnic group, my family, and also the political setting and climate+

of the country I inhabit and all the other environmental and individualized variables that it would take me a decade to list (including but not restricted to personal interests and tastes and also personal circumstance).+

These things impact the way I act, the way I think and the way I feel about anything and everything, including the BML movement. And before they are BTS (which is their Job), they are Asian and SOUTH KOREAN citizens with families and friends who live in SOUTH KOREA and+

These things impact the way they act, the way they think and the way they feel about anything and everything, including the BML movement. And the same is true for you whether you agree or not it is true and a FACT.+

I’m a BLACK WOMAN and I live in the U.S, racism hurts me and endangers my well-being and my life. I’m gonna support the BLM movement because I have to, because it pertains to my well being and that of those around me. If I don’t speak up and if I don’t do something,+

I would be doing myself a great disservice, that’s MY situation, that’s MY circumstance. Do I expect ASIAN people to fight my battles for me, No I don’t. Do I expect LATINOS to fight my battles for me? No I don’t. Do I expect INDIANS to fight my battles for me?+

No, I don’t. And I certainly do not expect WHITE people to fight my battles for me. Why? Because it is my battle, my pile of shit, and they will never FULLY understand it. They have issues that they are dealing with as well that I as a BLACK person will never FULLY understand.+

WHY? because it’s THEIR own battles and THEIR own pile of shit that THEY have to deal with. Some of our issues may be similar, but they are not THE SAME, SOME of our issues may be caused by the SAME problem (AKA RACISM) but they are not THE SAME.+

Just like they can’t tell us how to feel about our issues/problems we also can’t tell them how to feel about THEIR issues/problems. And we have to recognize that.
Now does it mean that we can’t ask for their help?no it does not. Does it mean that they shouldn’t help us?+

No it doesn't. Does it mean they can't help us? No, it does not.They absolutely should help us but not because we are entitled to it but because of the moral obligation that come with being Human and basic human rights but these obligations are not legal and all+

Encompassing and they are certainly not basis for us to call anyone or any group of people RACIST and attack said person and their the moral character or disrespect them because they failed to fulfill said moral obligations+

Because sometimes your moral obligations may be the reason why you get killed and harassed and hurt, and your failure to fulfill them may be caused or have been caused by a great deal of circumstantial, environmental, situational factors that you personally have no control over+

Therefore said failure to fulfill said does not always make you a bad person and should not be the only factor by which we condemn people , that is one of the reasons why we have judicial systems, and legal procedures. And said failure to fullfill said moral obligation+

Is certainly not a basis by which we call someone racist. Point 2, is that we should not tell people how to fullfill their moral obligations, because our capacities, abilities and circumstances differ from individual to individual, from country, to country, from government to+

Government, from society to society, from system to system, from ethnicities to ethnicities, from situation to situation. Therefore, we cannot determine how, and when someone should fullfill their moral obligations, it is their prerogative and their right to determine that, not+

Yours, theirs. We have no right to demand that they do it the way we want them too.That's dictatorship, that's authoritarianism and we all know how the fuck that turns out (hitler, Stalin, duvalier, Kim Jong un) if you dont know who they are i cant help you there+

These are all people who tried to tell other people how to be, how to act, how to think, and tried to tell people what their moral obligations should be and how to "fullfill" them. Fighting for freedom and basic human rights are all things that we are morally obligated to do+

But the way we do it, should be our personal prerogative and choice and should not be determined by anyone or anything other than ourselves. So BTS and any ARMY out there reserves the right to support and help the fight against racism and discrimination in whichever way+

They want to and you can't tell them or force them to do it the way you want them to. And you can't call them racist or attack their moral character because they are not doing it the way you think or feel they should. It's like someone telling you that I order to prove that you+

Love them, you should jump off a cliff, immediately, and that is the only way to prove that you love them and that because you love them you are morally obligated to jump off the cliff, when they you to jump off and the way they tell you to do it.+

With no concerns to your safety, your fears, and your thoughts (this is a crude analogy but it gets the point accross). If you dont jump off that cliff, does it mean that you dont love them? No, it doesn't. It just means that you also care and also love yourself +

Was jumping off the cliff the only way to prove that you love them? No it wasn't because you could also cook for that person, feed them, care for them, be there to listen to them, wipe their tears, clothe them, shelter them, protect them, but for them to determine+

And decide that jumping off the cliff is the only and ultimate way for you to prove that you love them is just plain dumb and that proves that that person demanding that you do something that could potentially harm you (mentally, financially, physically, socially)+

Is proof that they do not love you and that they are selfish, entitled, and utterly dismissive of your own rights as a human being. And that's the truth, that's evidence.

Now Do I expect ARMY to stand with me? Yes, I do. Because I belong to ARMY. Do I expect BTS to stand +

With me? Yes I do. Why? Because its their moral obligations as human beings to do this. But I cannot, and I should not, dictate the way in which they should support me/BLM and I cannot demand that they do it the way I want them to and when I want them to, and their failure+

To comply with my wishes and my dictates does not then mean that they have failed to fullfill their moral obligation, it just means that they have failed to do it the way I want them to (aka the way i dictated it) and when I wanted them to do it. Does it make them+

Racist or bad people or deserving of hate and insults and harassment? No, it doesnt. Am I allowed to be disappointed that I didn't get my way? Of course I am. But me being disappointed does and annoyed doesn't mean that they've done something wrong. It just means+

I didn't get what I wanted. The way I wanted it. Its that fucking simple. Because both ARMY and BTS. They have always done it, they have always fulfilled their moral obligations toward me, they have always stood for me and they have always supported the BML movement, +

even before it became such a TREND on social media. They have always raised awareness; they have always acted in a way that proved that they cared about my black ass. Because they have always spoken for and supported ALL LIVES and always spoke against RACIAL discrimination and+

and discrimination of ANY KIND. And I knew as a black person that they were with me.

I didn't need an immediate written or spoken public/official statement from BTS as proof that they cared about BLM because they've been quietly but obviously and overtly making a statement for as long as they've been a group+

Through their music, their attitude, and their words and the way they treat all of us. And the things they say to us everyday. I didnt need them to march in protest and proclaim their concern for Black lives because they've been protesting and rebelling in their music +

And encouraging me to speak up and protest and providing me with the courage and the strength to protest and rebel and think and achieve what I need to for myself. didn’t need proof that they cared, because they’ve been giving me proof, and ARMY had been showing proof too the +

Whole time. Did I want them to make a public statement? Yes I did. Why? Because  I wanted reassurance, and I wanted a reminder of all the reasons why I knew that they (BOTH BTS AND ARMY) stood with me.and I have the right to want that. And I have the right to voice what +

I want if I want to, and I have a right to ask for it. But I have absolutely no right to demand and insist that a public written/spoken statement be made, and that proclaim and insist that of they dont make that public/written statement they are Racist. And certainly+

Do not have the right to attack, harrass, disrespect, slander, denigrate them because they didn't do it the way i wanted them to. And they are certainly not OBLIGATED morally or legally, to follow my wishes or anyone's wishes and wants for that matter especially +

If it could or might impact them in a detrimental/harmful way in any capacity be it Financial or mental. It is even more so imperative that I do not make these demands and give these ultimatum because of such possibilities. Possibilities that i as myself cannot +

Foresee or envision or understand because I am not them and I do not know their situation and I do not live in their skin, and I do not walk in their shoes. That's just the first of many reasons why people who were demanding (not asking) but demanding a public +

And immediate and written/spoken Statement from them are/were being unreasonable and should stop. On my end, ARMY came through for me, like I knew they would and I was patiently waiting for BTS to come through. I didn’t know when they would, or how they would +

but I knew they would. And I was certainly not about to tell them HOW to do it and DEMAND that they do it because like I said I don’t have the right to DEMAND anything from them, and they don’t OWE my black ass ANYTHING, they certainly don’t OWE anyone ANYTHING.+

Notice I said ARMY. I DIDN'T SAY BTS FANS, cuz some of us out here be thinking that every BTS fan is ARMY. When it aint true, so if you didnt see the support on your TL start thinking about who you been surrounding yourself with and stop generalizing the hatred+

And toxicity you encounter and pinning it on ARMY. Cuz by definition none of these people are ARMY. Thats a fact, they can insist that they are, but they are not. Just because a duck tells you it's a chicken, don't make it a chicken. Why? Cuz it walks like a duck+

Quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, thinks like a duck, feels like a duck then it's a fucking duck, no matter how hard it insists that its a chicken. Are they both birds? Yes they are. However, they are quite distinguishable, i can assure you. Its all in the power+

Of observation. A duck wearing a chicken disguise can fool you but the moment they open they mouth and you find out its a duck then you can't keep thinking it's a chicken. Im just saying. That being said.+

BTS are/were not obligated to OFFICIALLY address the BLM movement or OFFICIALLY support it, and ARMY is not obligated to officially address the BML movement or officially support it. Notice I said OBLIGATED and OFFICIALLY. Do I think they should? Yes, I do+

Do I think they should? Yes, I do and I explained why I thought so or thought so. but are they OBLIGATED to do it? No, they are not. It is not in their job description and not in ARMY’s job description. Why not you ask? Well, lets define the words OBLIGATED and OFFICIALLY+

Shall we?

As human being we are all morally obligated to support all life and respect all life and BTS are human beings, so they are too, and they’ve proven again and again that they do. Them speaking out publicly about the BLM movement is not the only way they can +

Fullfill that moral obligation. And they have legal obligation to do it that way, and AGAIN THEY HAVE NO PERSONAL OBLIGATION TOWARDS the BLM movement
Why? Cause they are not black and they didn't cause the problem. Their morality has never been in question, EVER.+

Therefore, there is no need to start a fucking trial about their morality so there is no need for them to prove anything to me, to you, to anybody.
They and anyone who wants to can decide how they want to show their support, and when they can do it, and you have no right to +

demand they they do it the way you want them to. If they want to do it privately, they can. If they want to go on the streets, they can. If they want to quietly protest, they can. They don’t have to put out a statement if they don’t want to+

and that does not give you the right to slander their moral character, attack them or even FORCE them to show PROOF that they support it. And it certainly does not mean that they racists if they don’t do it (and Imma explain further why that is later). This movement+

Is a fucking tool to achieve your moral validation and test other people moral barometer, it is not a fucking weapon to try and attack and slander and degrade other people, and it is certainly not a competition for whos the better person, and especially not a popularity contest +

If you fall into any of the categories of people who used it or took like that then you either have some serious mental issues that you need to resolve, or you truly don't give a fuck about the movement (which would then make you the real racist) either way you need to check+

* I meant it is not a tool to achieve moral validation.

Either way, BTS are not morally or legally bound to PUBLICLY or formally support BLM movement because it is not in their job description and they don’t owe us/you/me SHIT.+

It is a FACT that BIG HIT is not a political agency or a humanitarian one, BTS are not a political group or a humanitarian group, BTS are not politicians or social activists, and it is also a FACT that ARMY is not a political fandom or even a humanitarian one, and we are +

certainly not a social activist group. Let me remind you again, they are ENTERTAINERS and WE ARE A FUCKING FANDOM, that’s a FACT. Therefore, they and we cannot be held to the same standard as you would a news outlet, the government, the public offices, the embassies and +

The conglomerates and corporations and institutions and activist groups who have the power resources, skills, and most importantly the professional and legal obligations to do something about the situation. Does it mean that we should do nothing and leave it all up to them?+

No, it does not. Does it mean that we shouldn't or can't raise awareness, protest, help and provide ideas in any way that we can? No it does not. We should try our best and we should do what we can because it is a part of our moral obligations to do something+

It doesn't have to be protesting, it doesn't have to be donations, it doesnt have to be a social media post, it could be anything. As long as we do something to help fix this mess and we can choose how, that too is a personal choice that people shouldn't infringe on+

So we can pick and choose our battles and we can pick and choose how to fight them. And just because I'm not fighting it like you doesnt make it less true that I'm fighting it. We all have or roles and we all have our responsibilities and we are as individual as we are a +

Collective. So that means BIG HIT and BTS may or may not choose to make political statements or support political causes, may or may not choose to support humanitarian causes and they reserve the right to choose which statements or which causes they support +

based on their PERSONAL preferences, choices and circumstances which as I explained will definitely be impacted and influenced by all of the things I mentioned before (ethnic group and family, by the laws of their country,influenced by the cultural setting of said country+

as well as the customs of their ethnic group, family, and also the political setting and climate of their country and all the other environmental and individualized variables that it would take me a decade to list  (including but not restricted to personal interests and tastes+

and also personal circumstance).And as ARMY we support BTS but it does not mean that we cannot make PERSONAL or COLLECTIVE decisions without their approval or consent as long as those decisions do not INFRINGE on their human/individual rights +

and as long as we understand that these decisions that we make are our PERSONAL/COLLECTIVE choices and decisions based on our PERSONAL/COLLECTIVE circumstances. So we also reserve the rights, individual and collective, to choose whether or not we want to make political +

statements or support political causes, whether or we want to support humanitarian causes, and we reserve the right to choose which statements or which causes we support based on our PERSONAL  or COLLECTIVE preferences, choices and circumstances.+

But some of y'all INSIST that your PERSONAL opinion and wish that they are speak publicly and donate publicly to the cause is a binding and absolute proof that they are OBLIGATED to OFFICIALLY, address and support the BLM movement, and that their failure to do so+

PUBLICLY where you can see it, and how you want it is/would be proof that they are racist, terrible people and deserving of disrespect, slander, and attacks and being attacked or "canceled". And that is the dumbest shit I ever fucking heard in my life and some of y'all +

Arguments are based on some seriously flawed logic, and complete lack of critical thinking. According to some of Y’all, BTS is Obligated to OFFICIALLY speak on/ address the BLM movement because they are CELEBRITIES. first of all, let's define the word Celebrities real quick

So according to that logic then being well-known and famous somehow legally binds you to OFFICIALLY address political and humanitarian issues. (😂😂😂😂 I just can't). So now being famous automatically makes you an expert in politics, or social activism, and comes with the+

Obligation to make statements on matters pertaining to these things. No, it does not. Being famous only provides you with a PLATFORM, are you legally bound to use that PLATFORM for political and Humanitarian causes? Should you? Yes, of course you should.+

But are you OBLIGATED to do it? No, you are not.  It doesn’t make you racist, and it certainly does not give people the right to attack you.
Therefore, BTS are/were not OBLIGATED to PUBLICLY/OFFICIALLY address BML on account that they are CELEBRITIES. +

Celebrities are still human beings and as established they have the right to express themselves whichever way they choose to and we have no right to FORCE them or DEMAND that they do anything. And we have no right to POLICE their thoughts and their behaviour.+

NEXT argument, BTS is OBLIGATED to PUBLICLY address the BML movement because they have BLACK fans. WELL, that is a CROCK OF SHIT. In that case, every entertainer, celebrity and public figure out there are OBLIGATED to PUBLICLY/OFFICIALLY address every fucking issues+

and problems of the world. Because they have all kinds of fans from all kinds of ethnicities, social classes, sexualities and more and we all know that ain’t gonna happen. And if I have to explain why? I don’t know what to tell you, boo. Figure that one out for yourself.+

The next big argument which is presented was “They are obligated to speak in support of BLM because they borrow from black culture and profit from black culture and them not speaking up makes them racist because they appropriated our culture, +

profited from it while disregarding our lives and our struggles, and that’s morally wrong.” I could not believe that's someone wrote an actual article arguing and stating that shit.
teenvogue.com/story/k-pop-st…

And I’m calling BULLSHIT on this argument, and calling it totally logically flawed and by no means does it support that BTS are OBLIGATED to PUBLICLY support the BML movement, and By no means does it make them RACIST.+

Because if we follow that logic then all the restaurants and businesses and celebrities and people in general who enjoy, profit from, and use Mexican, Korean, Indian, native americans, European, and any type of ethnic cultures, music, art and cuisines, are OBLIGATED to PUBLICLY+

address all the different problems (humanitarian or political) that all of these different communities have. And with that LOGIC, every one of y’all loud ass fans and all the AMERICAN celebrities should have been making public statements and DONATIONS and protesting +

when South Korea was going through hell with the PARK GUN HYE debacle or when the SEWOL tragedy happened. But guess what i didn't see one protest, not one fucking tweet from an American Celebrity that wasn't of korean descent or that wasn't directly affected or interested+

In it. No one of y'all loud ass fans were pressing BTS for an official statement or other celebrities or even fellow fans for an official statement. Why? Cause it was none of y'all business, apparently. But y'all be eating korean food, listening to korean music,+

Watching korean dramas, Netflix be capitalizing of off korean TV shows, Americans be capitalizing off of korean beauty products and profiting of off their korean and Asian citizens hard labor but yet they are not OBLIGATED to OFFICIALLY speak on human rights issues+

In korea or Asia. With that logic, American boybands, and celebrities should be Obligated to make Public statements and protest when VENEZUELA, Colombia, Mexico and all the other latino countries from which we get our beans, our coffee and our weeds +

Were having / are still having their crisis. All celebrities who drink coffee, eat churros, smoke weed, and use Latin dance in their music videos and latino sounds in their songs should Be obligated to publicly stand up and speak on the treatment of latino immigrants in the u.s +

and all over the world. With that logic, All celebrities and everyone who has ever enjoyed, used or borrowed from another culture or group of people should then be OBLIGATED to make Public statements and address the issues faced by these other +

countries or ethnic group or any other social minorities from which they have borrowed from or been influenced by. because the West has stolen and profits from EVERYONE and OWEs everyone something but I don’t see your western ass or your western celebrities being OBLIGATED+

to Publicly and officially support and protest for all the other ethnicities, races, and social minorities’ rights and issues. ESPECIALLY the celebrities, and people from America who seem to think they are somehow more important and more valid then the rest of the world+

Solely because they are American. The rest of the world doesn't OBLIGATE and Demand that your western self and your western celebrities speak up and protest and take up their many humanitarian and political causes when they need it. So why should you expect KOREAN celebrities +

Or KOREAN people or ASIAN or MEXICAN or INDIAN or ANY public figure or person of those descents/races/countries to be OBLIGATED to do the same thing. That’s hypocritical as fuck, and that’s entitlement and imperialism, a slippery slope and a close cousin to the issue+

That we as black people, have been fighting, because of group of people felt entitled and worthy of dictating what we could and couldn't do. What we could or couldn't care about, what we could or couldn't ask for just because of the color of their skin. +

We can ask for help, but we are not ENTITLED to it and they are not OBLIGATED to do shit. And that does not make them RACIST and you need to educate yourself on what RACISM and CULTURAL APPROPRIATION means (I will address these things in the next/2nd part of my thread).+

There were more arguments presented and I will address those also in the Part 2 of my Thread). This is the end of PART 1.

*they have no legal obligation