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@msimoni @coreload I think the tablet COULD be a perfectly good device for content creation if people would just do the damned UI design work to make it good. Right now, we haven't figured it out. This is where graphical input could be very useful. \1
@msimoni @coreload This is a whole other story.

It seems that social apps have figured out ways to get users to put a lot of data into their systems. Problem is that the data is just being used for social media type things. \2
@msimoni @coreload Could we make UIs that "afford" input the way that FB, IG etc. do, which actually feed that information into more useful apps?

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@msimoni @coreload The Twitter "roll-up" type apps. and Telegram bots smell interesting here. Why not have more agents extracting data from streams of short inputs, which can collate them into larger more useful blocks of information? \end
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@msimoni @coreload a) you have to specify the from-path and the to-path. How? Dragging between them? But if dragging can have multiple meanings that need further disambiguation (rsync vs move vs copy) then it becomes a symbol, not a DM.

b) checkboxes are just symbols too
@msimoni @coreload I'm not trying to argue that we should never use graphical interfaces.

But I am arguing that they should never be seen as a replacement for an underlying linguistic metaphor. They should be seen as shorthand / supplements when convenient. Not sufficent UIs in their own right.
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@msimoni @coreload You can have graphical ways of representing lambdas. But then you move away from DM and your graphical objects are now symbols.

AFAIK no one has come up with a very elegant or efficient graphical language. Alphabets typically beat ideograms.

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@msimoni @coreload And recursion is particularly hard to represent graphically

If you mean supplement a graphical desktop with extra linguistic scripting. Then sure, I'm all for that. But desktop becomes diminishing vestigial part of the whole. \end
@msimoni @coreload As an example, there is no desktop gui we've seen so far, that can express an idea as complex and as useful as

rsync -avr --delete-after /path/to/data /path/to/backup
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@coreload @msimoni Complicated for Twitter. Here's what I think in summary.

Computing is about using language to tell computers to do things. Language enables grammatical composition and ever increasing levels of abstraction and expressivity \1
@coreload @msimoni The great mistake and delusion in computer history, of which the desktop metaphor is just one major example, is "direct manipulation".

People seem to love it and always fantasize about more of it ... \2
@coreload @msimoni But with DM you switch from finding more and more elegant ways to TELL the computer to do stuff, to just "doing it yourself"

And once there's a DM metaphor for a task, rather than a linguistic instruction, it gets locked-in and evolution grinds to a halt. \3
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