Finally got around to starting in on the old measles articles. These are the ones that show that measles is "magic" and "airborne" whereas very little else is.
So, one infected child in a doctor's waiting room infected 7 others. The rate in unvaccinated kids very high.
Of particular note, they did airflow studies and the "droplet nuclei" were throughout the office. Furthermore, lack of ventilation already known.
So what on earth are the people against aerosol actually arguing against?
In fact, this whole article feels like 2020, except that it was written 45 years ago.
This whole blurb sounds very familiar.
I am glad we continue to do the same things again and again and again while people die.
A few posts back I noted this article says airborne spread of measles is unusual.
Compare this to the current crop of comments saying "airborne spread of SARS2 is unusual", keeping in mind what those same ppl say about airborne measles.
Here is another report, from another doctor's office. Same comments: everybody thinks by droplet, but there is increasing evidence it is airborne, etc. etc.
I'd suggest this is exactly descriptive of the current debate with the stalwart dogmatic adherents to droplet theory, except this was written in 1985 about measles, and it's now 2020.
In 1935, public health debated the transmission of measles.
Some believed it was ever present in the air ("miasmatic") and others believed transmitted person to person.
The former were not inclined to do anything, because quarantines wld not work.
2b. Another article by Ke (w/Sanche), now in preprint, saying "This suggests a highly infectious virus with an R0 likely between 4.0 and 7.1. " pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32511619/
Others have told me models calc'g 5-12 median 8 or 9.
Asymptomatic and superspread makes it difficult.
Commentators have noted that R0 values are behaviour dependent. Part of the R0 is how transmissible the virus is in our situation. So, when the very way we live changes, our transmission patterns change, and R0 values would change.
Finally the maitre of contact transmission, Chapin himself, in 1910, said measles was airborne _at least within doors_ and that it would not be air-borne further than between adjacent beds.
Finally, Chapin himself said while he believed pathogens were not significantly transmitted through the air, he himself said further investiation needed to be undertaking to make sure he was right.
"We must be on our guard lest our generalization carry us too far"
NB From 2016 Hui Rossi and Johnston (eds.) "SARS, MERS, and other viral lung infections."
Note "mode"
Found this article from 1938 stating that measles is transmitted by "droplet".
As noted in this thread, we now accept it's airborne/aerosol (not just droplet and further than 2m).
It's always funny to me that virologists get everything and transmission so wrong. I guess because they work with viruses they think they know everything about them. 🤷
The sad part is we would assume that because they work with viruses they know everything about them.
*everything about
Virologists don't really work on transmission. Maybe sometimes they spin a tub and flip some in the air or something. But they don't really know what's going on. And then the doctors know the biological clinical side of things but they don't work on transmission either.
Just remember the ladder of denial and elite panic myth means if you are hearing a 2 it's a 4. If a 4 it's a 6. If a 6 pack your bags. You'll never hear 8 and up the TV will just play static
Has anyone worked up the ladder of denial for bird flu?
- We have not found bird flu.
- We have found bird flu in one bird. There is no evidence of bird to bird transmission.
- We have found bird flu in many birds and there is bird to bird transmission but it has not moved to other mammals.
- We have found bird flu in a cow. However, we have not found evidence of cow to cow transmission.
- We have now found bird flu in many cows.
- We have now found evidence of cow to cow transmission but we do not know how this is happening.
- We found some bird flu in the milk. You should not worry because this might not be live virus. However, for some reason, we now think milk is the vector of transmission.