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Sep 14, 2020 9 tweets 2 min read Read on X
Here is why I I’ve long believed that life in the clouds of Venus is plausible. It's not just that the cloud environment is moderate in Temperature and Pressure (similar to Earth's surface) 1/8
And it’s not just that the clouds are a stable and long-lived liquid environment (unlike Earth's ephemeral clouds which are wispy and discontinuous, the cloud decks of Venus are permanent, deep, stable and global.) 2/8
And it's not just the ready availability of all the biogenic elements (CHOPNS and other trace elements including Cl, Mn and Fe), and the availability of both chemical and radiative energy sources to power possible life forms. (Plenty to eat!!) 3/8
It's also the emerging picture of Venus: likely past habitable liquid water oceans for billions of years on the surface: plenty of time to develop a robust, complex, varied and adaptable biosphere. When that surface dried out, where did the life go? Perhaps the clouds. 4/8
Also, we’re learning Venus, like Earth, has complex geochemical cycles involving interior, surface & atmosphere. Volcanoes likely feed gases into the air, which make clouds and are altered by sunlight, cycling back down to react with surface rocks, and round and round… 5/8
This complex chemical cycling creates a fertile environment for biological evolution. On Earth, life surfs along these "biogeochemical cycles". Venus has this same active character and thus may be able to support a biosphere. 6/8
It’s true that the clouds are composed extremely strong acid, but we keep discovering “acidophile” organisms on Earth and we simply don’t know the acid limit of life. 7/8
We really don't know and must keep exploring the entire solar system but IMHO life in the clouds Venus today is at least as plausible as life in the subsurface of Mars. I've been saying this for 23 years! 8/8
Here is the scientific case, more carefully laid out: funkyscience.net/wp-content/upl…

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Jun 29, 2021
Several folks have asked me what I think about this new paper in Nature claiming that the clouds of Venus have been shown to be “uninhabitable” because of the very low water activity: tinyurl.com/3k4d7tuf
So a short thread about it:
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The work is solid in that the calculations (of water activity as a function of sulfuric acid concentration) seem to have been done correctly. However, the conclusions of the paper are overconfident because we know less about both the atmosphere of Venus, 2/
and about the nature of life, than the authors pretend.

They also somewhat misrepresent the state of the field.
The second sentence of the abstract is not true. It says that discussions of possible habitability of the Venus clouds “usually neglect the role of water activity”. 3
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