I have started doing the homework that Lacy Hunt mentions in this conversation. I found (I think) the 1934 Irving Fisher paper on highly indebted nations. Just thought i would drop this little paragraph. ITS SCARY HOW THIS APPLIES RIGHT NOW.
"23. The chief interrelations between the nine chief factors may be derived deductively, assuming, to start with, that general economic equilibrium is disturbed by only the one factor of over-indebtedness, and, in particular...
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...assuming that there is no other influence, (sic) the alarm either of debtors or creditors or both. Then we may deduce the following chain of consequences in nine links: (1) Debt liquidation leads to distress selling and to (2) Contraction of deposit currency...
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...as bank loans are paid off, and to a slowing down of velocity of circulation. This contradiction of deposits and of their velocity, precipitated by distress selling, causes (3) A fall in the level of prices, in other words, a swelling of the dollar...
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...Assuming as above stated. that this fall of prices is not interfered with by reflation or otherwise, there must be (4) A still greater fall in the net worths of business, precipitating bankruptcies and (5) A like fall in profits, which in a "capitalistic,...
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...that is, a private-profit society leads the concerns which are running at a loss to make (6) A reduction in output, in trade and in employment of labor. These losses, bankruptcies, and unemployment, lead to (7) Pessimism and loss of confidence, which in turn lead to...
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... (8) Hoarding and slowing down still more the velocity of circulation.
The above eight changes cause (9) complicated disturbances in the rates of interest, in particular, a fall in the nominal, or money, rates and a rise in the real, or commodity, rates of interest...
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Evidently debt and deflation go far toward explaining a great mass of phenomena in a very simple logical way."
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So that is what has happened people.
9/14
In March, the heavily indebted World economy had a distress moment. That lead to the March selloff and (1) the debt liquidation. @RaoulGMI called that early and correctly. March started the "liquidation" phase as described by Irving above.
10/14
We then got into (2) Contraction of deposit currency, as bank loans are paid off. During the crazy March selloff, assets all over the Planet were sold to pay off debt. Major entities STOPPED NEW BORROWING. Financial conditions tightened immediately.
11/14
The contraction of deposits AND OF THEIR VELOCITY. Q2 currency velocity fell AGAIN. It had already been falling for some time, but velocity halted. There was a clear step (3) at the time, a FALL IN THE LEVEL OF PRICES, or as Irving said it, A SWELLING OF THE DOLLAR.
12/14
As predicted by @SantiagoAuFund the Dollar shot up. THEN Central Banks and Fiscal authorities interfered between steps 3 and 4. The "reflation or otherwise" described by Irving is the "heroic action" taken by the central planners that Lacy Hunt describes in the podcast.
13/14
Now, we are all wondering when the new "reflection or otherwise" can HOLD or if we will hit a tipping point into step (4) AND DOWN THE DEFLATION LADDER OF DEATH until we hit (9) Complicated disturbances in the rates of interest.
Lacy Hunt conversation with Barry Habib regarding the Macro outlook for 2023. Interview posted in December 2022.
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Lacy still focused on money (M2/ODL), velocity, and the role of money in inflation.
Right out of the gate he criticizes a statement made by Powell. "M2...does not really have important implications. It is something we have to unlearn I guess."
2/12
Hunt then focuses on the ODL and M2 measurements in Commercial Banks and raises an alarm that disinflation is here and getting worse.
I was alerted to this trend by @EPBResearch (who is a must follow BTW) about this trend back in October 2022.
Punches hard and in your face right out of the gates:
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"There are two key asymmetries that are central to the mechanism we focus on. The first asymmetry arises from the global use of the dollar in the international monetary system along different dimensions that exceed the relative size...
...of the U.S. economy within the global economy. The second asymmetry occurs as the U.S. economy has relatively limited exposure to developments in the world economy compared to its trading partners so that the dollar sensitivity to foreign development is smaller...
2/7
M2 went up steadily in the 1970s. GDP followed that money growth.
2/21
Inflation occurs, to Lacy Hunt's way of thinking, not simply because of M2 growth, but because of separate dollar devaluation policies, he mentions going off the Gold Standard as one such policy. He mentions international trade as another.
Hunt highlights that the Fed's purchases of government and agency securities were greater than the cumulative deficits of those two years. The fed basically covered the deficit by a balance sheet expansion.