David Cameron to @IainDale: "I certainly don't apologise for stopping Gaddafi in his tracks, that saved lives"
The Libya NFZ is actually one of the few success stories of the Cameron-era, and it's good that he continues to defend it. open.spotify.com/episode/1FHdVW…
Cameron also points out complexity of the failure of Western post-intervention strategy when he explains that the Libyans themselves asked for the West to stay out of the country following the NFZ. Libya remains a post-intervention failure, not a failure of intervention.
Cameron moves on to Syria, says that he offered Ed Miliband everything he asked for before the lead up to the chemical weapons vote, including provision for a second vote before air strikes. "I think it was a piece of political opportunism, and deeply regretful"
Cameron places blame at Obama's feet for failing to get congressional approval for Syria intervention, failing to account for the fact that the US was now being asked to act unilaterally without the support of its closest allies.
Cameron does state that he does not necessarily believe intervention in 2013 would have changed matters much, which corroborates reports that his and Obama's intentions were never much larger than retaliatory surgical strikes.
Discussing the failure to respond to the "red line" Cameron says: "I thought that was a very bad decision for the world, because not only was that message heard in Damascus, but I think it was also heard in Beijing and Moscow and elsewhere"
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I want all dictatorships to be replaced with democracies.
As a liberal democrat, by definition, I oppose all regimes.
I support revolutions to overthrow regimes.
Put “regime change fanatic” on my tombstone, that’s fine.
I am a regime change fanatic & you @aaronjmate are an accomplice to Assad’s war crimes, who advocated for him at the UN, at the invitation of the Russian government, and you and your colleagues, for pay, were the propaganda wing of a regime engaged in industrial human slaughter.
@aaronjmate Both of us are still relatively young, but I need you to understand this, I promise you, I will spend the rest of my life making sure none of you ever truly know of a moment of peace.
And when I am in Syria, I will be searching through Mukhabarat documents for your names.
What is happening in Syria today is happening in spite of those foreign policy decisions, and in spite of those who presented Assad’s victory as the only possible resolution to the Syrian civil war.
Now the conflict is no longer in the hands of the western powers.
The US & Russia effectively came to an agreement that Assad should stay in 2015, and 9 years later, the consequences of that monstrous, despicable decision are rippling out across Syria.
These people always fundamentally misunderstood why Syrians tried to topple the regime.
Imagine having a discussion about Lebanese sovereignty vis-a-vis Hezbollah without even acknowledging Hezbollah’s very existence violates my country’s sovereignty.
I’m insulting you because you are no longer even attempting to disguise your deference to Hezbollah.
You aren’t talking about Lebanon in this, you’re talking about Hezbollah, no matter how much you want to backpedal when called out on it.
Yes, you are right that Israel violates Lebanese sovereignty and we Lebanese want that to end permanently, but you aren’t even paying lip service to the fact that our entire state has been hijacked by an Iranian proxy terrorist organisation, that has murdered our people for generations, launched a war without the consent of the country, which it then lost, at huge cost to the Lebanese people, and your only comment on this so far is to complain that Hezbollah don’t get favourable enough terms in their defeat agreement.
I’m so beyond respectful disagreement on this, if you want to have your arse kissed, go back on Owen Jones’ show, where you will get the kind of ill-informed ignorance that will never challenge anything you say.
Denying being deferential to Hezbollah/Iran while wholesale accepting Iran’s “resistance” narrative for financing, training and arming groups who brutalise and oppress their native populations.
There is such a deep rot in academia on this issue, it’s beyond absurd.
For context on how seismic Hezbollah’s decapitation is politically, from the perspective of most of the Middle East the Iranian “Resistance Axis”, of which Hezbollah is a critical component, has never “lost” a war, and have come out with some kind of victory in every conflict.
That image of invulnerability was bought and paid for mostly with Arab blood, with very little domestic impact on Iran, despite the vast sums it was pumping into its proxies in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.
Hezbollah was the crown jewel of the IRGC network.
The battle-hardened, totally asymmetric domination Hezbollah had over not just Lebanon but the wider Levant region, has had its entire command and control structure from bottom to top systematically liquidated in the space of a week. The people enforcing the status quo are gone.