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Sep 21, 2020 6 tweets 1 min read Read on X
If you think you have devastating arguments against God, that's fine, but keep in mind:

1. You don't.
2. Seriously, you don't.

Lack of religious education, and of education in general, has made rhetorically snappy but vapid arguments seem powerful.
I'm not singling atheists out here. Christians often fall for this stuff, because many don't understand Christianity, science, math, or philosophy any better than those making the vapid arguments.

Whatever your beliefs, you're not helping yourself by not knowing these things.
Whether you're Christian or atheist, treat yourself to a classical education. Learn the essentials of Christian belief, read the church fathers, study the great philosophers, learn the basics of modern science, become literate in math, and read great works of literature.
The end result will be...

Christians: you're far less likely to fall for arguments that range between snappy-but-vapid and utterly stupid.

Atheists: you won't sound like five year-olds.

I don't mean to be insulting with this, but if you've ever spent time in a Sunday school...
...you will hear every objection that y'all throw at us. Because these are OBVIOUS objections, which is fine; but you need to know that they're not clever or original. Literally the moment children start learning basic theology, they know to raise these objections.
And I've seen how quickly these children realize the flaws in their thinking once the resolution is explained to them.

So, again, classical education. I should probably put together a curriculum/reading list for the essentials. Feel free to suggest stuff below.

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Jan 16, 2023
We have an apparatus to investigate the natural world, called science.

If there's another realm to reality, separate but interacting with the natural world, science is not equipped to investigate it as it does the natural world.

You can't demand that it needs to. Here's why.
Let's use an analogy. Astronomers use filters to observe the universe at different wavelengths (colors) of light. If I put a blue or green filter on a telescope, blue or green light is all it can see. You can get a lot of useful data that way, like in this image.
Astronomers use filters to pick out details of that stand out at different colors. This is because different elements and chemical compounds radiate or absorb light at different wavelengths (colors) of light. We know from experience there's a different reality at each color.
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Jan 10, 2023
Existence is far more strange and fascinating than you realize.

Modern life is almost designed to beat our innate sense of wonder out of us.

Take a moment to appreciate just how odd and wonderful it is that the world can be described by mathematics.
As physicist Eugene Wigner points out, there's no reason this must be. He wrote a paper called "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences," and I urge you all to read it.

maths.ed.ac.uk/~v1ranick/pape…
Ironically, he begins his paper with a quote from Bertrand Russell that's almost religious in its reverence of math.

He ends the paper by calling the application of math to physics a "miracle."

Far from being a cold enterprise, science inspires a sense of religiosity.
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Dec 31, 2022
Disagree.

First, it's stupid just on the face of it.

Second, if you read Michael Heiser, you see that the Bible acknowledges a whole pantheon of other gods. I believe these other gods exist. But they are lesser, contingent beings, not deserving of our worship or obedience.
Did you ever wonder why Exodus 20:3 says, "You shall have no other gods before me" and not "There are no other gods"?

See Heiser's scholarly dive into e.g. Psalm 82 explaining that the "divine council" undoubtedly refers to other gods (elohim).

drmsh.com/divine-council/
So, when someone whips out this bit of pop-atheist-illogic, you know what to say.

I'm not an atheist by any definition of the word.
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Sep 15, 2022
Everyone has a "god" – something that sits on the throne of their heart.

If it's God, it will go well for you.

If it's not, it will eat you alive.

Your "god" could be money, fame, looks, work, politics, even something ostensibly wholesome, like fitness or helping people.
But no matter how important, how "good" you think your god is, if it's not God – the ground of existence, the wellspring of life, goodness, and love – you're serving something lesser, and it will consume you.
Christians, don't think this doesn't apply to you. If you're constantly stressed, miserable, anxious, ill-at-ease, frequently in conflict with others, then check to see if you have an idol.

fyi, I'm not exempt from this. I'm constantly pushing idols off the throne of my heart.
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Aug 10, 2022
Science doesn't disprove God. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

There is nothing in established, well-supported science that contradicts the existence of God. Nothing.

There isn't even anything in speculative "science" that contradicts God.
The best speculations that anti-theists come up with merely make God redundant, but those usually involve infinite regress or static eternal models, both of which have serious problems. It's very difficult to come up with plausible scenarios that don't have an ultimate cause.
It almost all comes down to problems with pain, morality, pride. If you could somehow remove all of the emotional baggage that comes with the idea of God, an intelligent Ultimate Cause would be seen as the most probable explanation for the world by every intellectual...
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Jun 21, 2022
Years ago, I had a convo about beliefs with a fellow scientist at a conference. She talked about her Christian brother, and how they'd argued about evolution. When she tried to defend the theory of evolution, she told me she realized she didn't know why she believed it.
[Note: I'm neither defending nor attacking evolution here. Just demonstrating how beliefs work even amongst scientists. Back to the thread...]

She'd never studied evolution, didn't know its core premises or predictions, and didn't know the evidence that supported it.
She just "believed," because that's what scientists are supposed to do.

I've noticed, in all my years as a scientist, a very odd thing. If a colleague wants to establish that he or she is a for-real scientist, he or she will say "I believe in evolution."
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