There's two pretty obvious golden rules which Keir Starmer is following. This thread sets out what those two rules are - and why they're both very important (and no: neither rule are as portrayed by many on here at all).
Rule 1: Don't fall into Tory traps.
Because of the support they've gained among working class voters, and because of the culture wars they're desperate to intensify, the Tories wish to portray the Labour leader as follows:
- That he's unpatriotic
- That he won't deliver 'the will of the people'
- That he wants to divide the country at a time of massive national crisis
- That he's just another woolly London liberal
- That Labour haven't changed under him at all
So his positioning, naturally, avoids all those traps and counters the Tory narrative.
Folks: we just lost an election by twelve points. We have our lowest seat numbers since 1935. OF COURSE we have to show we're different now. That's basic, elementary stuff.
How are we showing we're different?
- By being led competently
- By asking serious questions but not dividing the country
- By moving on from Brexit
- And by reaching out on the concerns of all those lost voters (who Starmer's critics seem to think somehow don't exist)
Abstaining on the overseas operation bill actually meets both the 'don't fall into Tory traps' rule - and the second rule, which I'm about to explain.
It means the Tories can't successfully portray us as 'unpatriotic' or 'against the army' (they'll try to, but without success).
And the second rule?
- Don't do gesture politics when there's nothing in it for you. Politics is about making a difference and actually getting things done.
This all goes back to a previous thread of mine, here:
Corbyn rose to the leadership after he opposed the Welfare Reform Bill, while so much of the PLP abstained. The optics for the latter were atrocious... it's just that no, the PLP DID NOT support welfare reform at all.
They abstained because they wanted to amend the bill.
This latest collective abstention? No, Labour don't suddenly support torture or anything like it. It's because Labour want to try and amend the bill - and deal with the torture point in so doing.
Will it succeed? Probably not. That's the reality of an 80-seat Tory majority.
In the face of 80-seat majorities, if the opposition wants to achieve anything at all, it HAS to abstain on bills like these and seek to amend them.
But let's think back to Corbyn. On welfare reform, what did he actually achieve? Nothing whatsoever.
In fact, on very many issues, his leadership achieved nothing whatsoever - because achieving something tangible, something fundamental, only happens by winning government first.
Gesture politics from opposition says to the public that you're opportunistic and you won't listen.
It says to the public that in the face of a massive defeat, and a decade of almost constant defeat, you're just the same as you always were.
And gesture politics, as well as achieving nothing, also antagonise sections of the electorate you can't afford to alienate.
It antagonised working class voters, who've moved en masse to the Tories.
It also antagonised Jews. While achieving nothing, literally nothing, to help Palestine or Middle East peace. So what on Earth was the point?
There's this almost comical assumption on the left that if we just keep shouting into the ether about, for example, Israel/Palestine, this makes a difference.
It doesn't. And since the collapse of the Oslo peace process, it never has. The situation there is worse than ever.
Corbyn, rightly, opposed Tory austerity with all his might. So - did he stop it? Nope. The Tories won yet again - and for all Rishi Sunak's currently trying to bail the country out, he can't keep doing so forever. There's gonna be a huge bill to pay off at some point.
A quite massive part of the reason why Corbyn failed to stop all those things he opposed from actually happening is: the public could not take him seriously as a leader.
It MUST take Starmer seriously as a leader if we're ever to achieve anything at all.
And in the deeply flawed British parliamentary system, effective leadership requires united parliamentary parties... and united parties mean: collective responsibility.
That's why the three MPs have been sacked. It's because they defied the party whip. Simple.
It's not because Labour now 'supports torture' (it quite categorically does not and it never will). It's because they defied a three line whip.
That was their choice. They're perfectly entitled to make it - but they also knew what the consequences would be.
So no: they're not martyrs. And their actions have done precisely zero to stop the Bill coming into force - so again, what was the point?
Of course principles matter. They always matter. But when a point of principle makes literally no difference to the outcome...?
And when a point of principle means the government can use the same narrative about your party which just got it crushed at the last election...?
It requires being much smarter, much shrewder, and picking the battles you can win. Which in this bill, come later.
The Tories, incidentally, are having massive problems coming up with effective attack lines against Starmer. Absurdly, they're trying to portray him as just the same as Corbyn. Which the public will just laugh at - because it's literally unbelievable.
All this is part of the short term aim of getting Labour a hearing.
Medium term aim: show that you're competent and hence, better than the alternative.
Long term aim: once you've done that, THEN announce the policies - and show why they're better too.
We're currently kinda between the short and medium term aims. The longer term one comes later. That's just sensible, responsive politics. For all those crying foul, my reply is:
"Your way of doing politics got us crushed. Remember that line about the definition of insanity?"
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And if I see one more inadequate, entitled, clueless male on this website come out with pathetic, condescending beyond belief, passive aggressive bullshit like:
That one lousy England cap was as part of our worst team since 1993. The ONLY one not to qualify - and you weren't even good enough to be picked for it more than once.
In fact, you have MORE CONVICTIONS FOR VIOLENT CRIME than England caps, you absolute waste of skin.
Gary Neville can tell his grandkids about the absolutely magnificent career he had in the game.
You can tell yours about the time you stubbed a lit cigar out in a youth player's eye.
Or when you violently assaulted a teammate, leaving him unconscious with a detached retina.
Today, in the world of sensible centrist liberal media 🙄🙄🙄
1. Thomas L. Friedman is worried for the world and tries to explain what's happening to it. He explains what's happening to it by... saying THIS.
Yes folks. The difference between Dubai and Gaza isn't that one is staggeringly rich in natural resources and the other is a rock. And it isn't that one is independent and the other has been illegally occupied and blockaded for so long.
It's 'visionary leadership'.
I'll tell you one of the very many things wrong with this awful world, Tom. It's that racist Orientalists like you - utterly incapable of EVER treating Arab people as equals - get given such a high profile platform to pump out such constant ignorant beyond imagination drivel.
THREAD: Argentina. Why has this happened - and what's going to happen now?
The first thing to say about why this has happened is pretty simple. The options facing a desperate, frantic Argentinian public were APPALLING. All of them.
In August, at the primaries, the mostly centre-right Juntos por Cambio (which governed, very badly, through Mauricio Macri between 2015 and 2019) voters made a dreadful, in my view indefensible blunder.
They selected Patricia Bullrich over Horacio Rodriguez Larreta.
Bullrich is right wing. She's also maybe the most completely talentless politician I have EVER seen in this part of the world.
She's charmless, utterly unlikeable, and has made an absolutely preposterous political journey from militant leftist to now, the far right,
When the provisional IRA tried to assassinate the entire British government, the British government did not respond by carpet bombing Belfast for weeks on end.
Nor did it impose a 16-year-long siege on the island of Ireland.
Nor did it cut off electricity, water, food, fuel and communications.
In fact, much of the world - including, notably, the US - understood that the nationalist community in Northern Ireland had an entirely legitimate grievance. And were victims of an historic injustice.
UK politicians wouldn't have even dreamt of such a response. Had it been attempted, we'd have been ostracised by the entire world, maybe forever.
And in the end, peace was achieved. Draining the swamp of support for terrorism through dialogue, power-sharing and democracy.
"Research by the IJPR shows about 2% of the population of Great Britain can be characterised as “hardcore” antisemites - defined as those believing multiple anti-Jewish tropes simultaneously - whereas 70% is found to hold no anti-Jewish views at all".theguardian.com/world/2023/oct…
"A 2021 survey by the institute, conducted two months after the last war in Gaza, found that almost three-quarters of Jewish adults in the UK felt that non-Jews held them responsible for the actions of the Israeli government during the conflict..."
"More than half said that public and media criticism of Israel at the time made them feel that Jews were not welcome in the UK".
Several things here.
1. Anyone attacking or insulting British Jews for the actions of Israel is an antisemitic arsehole.