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Nov 15, 2020 10 tweets 5 min read Read on X
@elonmusk Great question! It’s more complex question and depends on why the test is being used - ie: do you want to know if you are currently contagious/risky to others or if you have any remnants of RNA? The difference may sound trivial but it is massive

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@elonmusk If the question is "Am I currently infectious right now when the swab is collected" then on *most* instruments/labs, data suggests a Ct value somewhere around 30 or below is needed. (Different instruments/labs are different - but that's a decent generalization)...

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@elonmusk If the question is "Am I becoming infectious" then even if you have a high Ct value... say 38... then it's important to test again the next day. If you go to 28, then you better stay put, you're likely infectious for the next 5-8 days or so...

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@elonmusk If you stay at ~38 or you went from 32 to 35 or something over a 24 hour period - then most likely you are recovering from infection and no longer infectious. Some people stay positive after infection with Cts in mid-upper 30's for weeks/months.

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@elonmusk If want to know if one is a danger to others RIGHT NOW... a rapid antigen test can be your best friend. If positive, immediately confirm with a second *different* rapid test (antigen / lamp / isothermal) or get a PCR - but it has a long turnaround time so not as useful.

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@elonmusk If you just want to know the question that doctors often ask: "Do I have evidence of a SARS-CoV-2 infection" then look for the RNA with a PCR test or PCR-like test. In this case, a Ct value <40 is usually considered reliable on most tests for "Do I have any virus RNA in me"..

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@elonmusk If you actually get a result with a Ct value of 40 though... that's really REALLY low... and can be a false positive. Many labs/tests have decided to use a cutoff an order of magnitude higher.... choosing a Ct value of 37 or lower to be positive.

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@elonmusk Again though - PCR is tough to interpret. It does NOT = infectious. If <30... generally = contagious-ish. <20 DEFINITELY high virus

More time is in post-infectious PCR+ stage than infectious PCR+... this is where antigen test shines. If +ve and confirmed... means contagious

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@elonmusk Finally - different labs use different tests. @AbbottNews m2000 test for example shaves off the first 10 Ct cycles when reporting. So a 24 on m2000 = 34 cycles. Other tests may use more or less efficient enzymes. But cycle per cycle, they all do a decent job at doubling per cycle
@elonmusk @elonmusk - My quick answers to your question are above. I think you'd be interested in the detailed answer. Send me a DM if you want. You're a scientist and it would be GREAT if you could help inform the world of the right answer to your question - So much confusion abounds.

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Jun 12
I've been thinking on my review of RFK Jrs 8 new ACIP members

When announced, I found myself thinking "could've been much worse" and so was relatively favorable

However, the bar being set so low caused me to miss a huge piece... and there's still great risk!

Short thread
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While I was pretty favorable to a majority of the new members - the bar is set inredibly low -

I was just happy the 8 were not the most hard core ideologues for whom destroying vaccines is practically religion (like RFK Jr)

That obscured the biggest problem of the group

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Perhaps the biggest problem is it is a panel of people who, generally speaking, are generally NOT:

experts in diseases vaccines prevent
experts in vaccines
infectious disease epidemiology
clinical trials

If this was the private sector, no way would this group pass muster

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Jun 12
RFK Jr released names of 8 ppl he is placing into ACIP to replace 17 removed

Actually a majority are v reasonable - 2 of 8 however align heavily w conspiracy & anti-vax but as I discuss, their presence may have a silver lining

My thoughts:
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1/cnbc.com/amp/2025/06/11…
Joseph Hibbeln MD has long researched and advocated for optimizing nutrition, including studying things like seafood consumption in pregnancy and role of mercury consumption and whether it is linked to autism. Generally he’s come out saying it’s not.

Summary: No evidence of anti science or anti vaccine. Likely very balanced and nuanced rigorous scientist to serve on ACIP. 
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Cody Meissner MD
Is a pediatric infectious disease expert at my Alma mater - Dartmouth. He is a rigorous scientist and has defended vaccines while formally recognizing underlying issues that are causing people to turn away from them - such as vaccine success driving down disease - affording people the luxury of focusing on very rare side effects while forgetting the real impacts of the diseases. 

For example in @NEJM he wrote: 

Summary. Terrific Choice

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Feb 26
This is horrible & exactly what we are afraid of - measles kills ppl

In ~100 infections in TX, someone has already died

For those w/out vacc- it is not the benign virus you’ve been told

1:5 hospitalized
1:100-1000 die

This will spread further.

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apnews.com/article/measle…
The measles vaccine is exceedingly safe

It stops infections & spread extremely well!!

Measles on the other hand

1) kills 1:100-1000
2) hospitalizes 1:5
3) Kills immune cells & deletes protection against other infections
4) causes early immune suppression / coinfections

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I am extremely concerned that the communities of vaccine hesitancy have grown enough that they are now “bleeding into each other”

Which means infection in one may well ignite outbreaks of many thousands

That will come w more disease and death

Vaccination will prevent this

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Feb 19
Measles cases may likely grow into the 1000’s

The TX measles outbreak continues

With “bubbles” of undervaccination getting bigger, we can expect outbreaks in one to catch on to the next

Igniting transmission that may catch and spread across the U.S.

cnn.com/2025/02/18/hea…
One of the most common tropes is that measles is fine & doesn’t cause damage…

This is highly inaccurate

Measles literally grows by infecting and killing memory immune cells. It causes loss to existing immunity creating vulnerabilities & acute damage that is often severe

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To discover the massive-stealth-impact measles has on immune protection against infections not associated w measles, we looked at what happened in populations after measles outbreaks swept through, decade after decade across nations…

What we found was astonishing…

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Dec 27, 2024
Important wake up call:

#H5N1 BirdFlu just sequenced by @CDCgov from severe Louisiana patient

Most important, the H5 virus mutated inside the single patient to gain an ability to bind human receptors in the upper respiratory tract

It takes just one…

cdc.gov/bird-flu/spotl…Image
This is exactly the type of thing we worry about.

The mutations developed anew in this patient have been linked to severe cases elsewhere

Thank goodness the patient didnt (as far as we know) spread to any people or wildlife but this is the real concern…

We must do better

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And what should we do… there are many things we (USGov) should be doing yet barely have:
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Oct 3, 2024
🧵 On Seasonality:
SARS-CoV-2 has "seasonality" as a contributor to transmission dynamics

People often refute it - So I made graphs and this thread

NOTE: Seasonality does NOT = "just a cold"
Many of worst viruses have seasonality

Transmission Dynamics ≠ Pathogenicity

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The first figure is Wastewater SARS-CoV-2 RNA levels averaged across the whole United States

See the REMARKABLE stability in the winter peak

The peak happens in the exact same week each year

Additionally, the start up the upswing to the peak (triangles) is also consistent

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A common misconception is that "Seasonality" means "no transmission out of season"

That is NOT TRUE

Seasonal forces are those that drive predictable behavior - like a winter peak in the first week of each year

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