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Nov 15, 2020 10 tweets 5 min read Read on X
@elonmusk Great question! It’s more complex question and depends on why the test is being used - ie: do you want to know if you are currently contagious/risky to others or if you have any remnants of RNA? The difference may sound trivial but it is massive

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@elonmusk If the question is "Am I currently infectious right now when the swab is collected" then on *most* instruments/labs, data suggests a Ct value somewhere around 30 or below is needed. (Different instruments/labs are different - but that's a decent generalization)...

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@elonmusk If the question is "Am I becoming infectious" then even if you have a high Ct value... say 38... then it's important to test again the next day. If you go to 28, then you better stay put, you're likely infectious for the next 5-8 days or so...

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@elonmusk If you stay at ~38 or you went from 32 to 35 or something over a 24 hour period - then most likely you are recovering from infection and no longer infectious. Some people stay positive after infection with Cts in mid-upper 30's for weeks/months.

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@elonmusk If want to know if one is a danger to others RIGHT NOW... a rapid antigen test can be your best friend. If positive, immediately confirm with a second *different* rapid test (antigen / lamp / isothermal) or get a PCR - but it has a long turnaround time so not as useful.

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@elonmusk If you just want to know the question that doctors often ask: "Do I have evidence of a SARS-CoV-2 infection" then look for the RNA with a PCR test or PCR-like test. In this case, a Ct value <40 is usually considered reliable on most tests for "Do I have any virus RNA in me"..

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@elonmusk If you actually get a result with a Ct value of 40 though... that's really REALLY low... and can be a false positive. Many labs/tests have decided to use a cutoff an order of magnitude higher.... choosing a Ct value of 37 or lower to be positive.

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@elonmusk Again though - PCR is tough to interpret. It does NOT = infectious. If <30... generally = contagious-ish. <20 DEFINITELY high virus

More time is in post-infectious PCR+ stage than infectious PCR+... this is where antigen test shines. If +ve and confirmed... means contagious

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@elonmusk Finally - different labs use different tests. @AbbottNews m2000 test for example shaves off the first 10 Ct cycles when reporting. So a 24 on m2000 = 34 cycles. Other tests may use more or less efficient enzymes. But cycle per cycle, they all do a decent job at doubling per cycle
@elonmusk @elonmusk - My quick answers to your question are above. I think you'd be interested in the detailed answer. Send me a DM if you want. You're a scientist and it would be GREAT if you could help inform the world of the right answer to your question - So much confusion abounds.

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Jan 16
A lot of questions still on:

How long should I isolate?

Do I need to isolate?

When can I go back to work?

Is 5 days enough?

What if I’m still positive?

Why am I not positive when I first get symptoms?

This thread below (and the embedded thread) goes through many of these questions
Now that symptoms start earlier w COVID (bc immunity activates symptoms fast after exposure)

A frequent ? that comes up is what this means for Paxlovid

Often ppl think it means you have to start Paxlovid earlier

Nope - Opposite! You have more time

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Bc symptoms start faster but the growth of the virus still takes about the same time as it used to…

Symptom onset today is ~2d post exposure where before it was ~5d

So, as far as virus growth is concerned, day 5 post symptoms (when the trials took place) is day ~8 today

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Jan 8
A heartbreaking consequence of lapses in vaccination!

A measles outbreak is spreadinf in Philadelphia.

MEASLES! It sends kids to the hospital, erases existing immune memory (creating long term risks) and kills 1 in 1000

It was eliminated in the US, but we seem hell bent on reversing that

inquirer.com/health/measles…
A particularly deadly consequence of measles is its erasure of previously acquired immune memory - setting kids and adults up for infections that they shouldn’t be at risk from!

We found for example that measles can eliminate as much as 80% of someone’s previously acquired immunity to other pathogens!
science.org/doi/full/10.11…
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Jan 3
This paper from Kaiser on new XBB1.5 vax formulation is misleading

NO, it does NOT say that prior vaccination w non updated XBB1.5 vaccines offer no protection

No, it doesn’t even say the XBB1.5 updates to the vaccine formulation are important

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medrxiv.org/content/10.110…
Here are the key conclusions.
They are WAY misleading

The major issue is w the timing

The comparison is

A) a VERY recent XBB1.5 vaccine given in last 30 days,

Vs…

B) A vaccine received ~1 year or more ago!

Any effect is first and foremost owing to recency of vax

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Given everything we know about major short term (weeks - few months) immune responses after vax or infections

The comparison is NOT able to say anything about the importance of updating the vaccine formulation for variants

It simply says what any Immunology 101
Text says..

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Dec 24, 2023
Tip on pooling home tests

I’m gathering w family. Had one @Pfizer Lucira multiplex COVID-Flu home molecular test

Had 6 people and 6 swabs

Everyone used one swab. Dunked all 6 into one Pfizer Lucira test

Neg.

Tested everyone for price of one!

Pooling at home works!
Pooling can work w home tests including rapid antigen and rapid molecular tests

However for antigen id be a bit more cautious and not put more than 3 swabs in the buffer

With molecular, particularly Pfizer Lucira bc it has a large volume buffer, 6 is no problem.
Here’s a nasal swab that would work. Don’t use it as a nasopharyngeal swab at home - just use it like any home self swab and swab the anterior nares

a.co/d/iCO1nsI
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Dec 15, 2023
Please note - If you use expired rapid antigen tests - here's how I think about interpreting them

1) If Negative - do not trust it - especially if control line is faint / absent

BUT

2) If Positive - trust it - *very likely* true positive.

(short thread)
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An expired test will Not aberrantly turn positive just because it's old

Expiry makes lines not show up. Does make them become dark.

So, if using an expired test:

Do Trust a Positive.
Do Not Trust a Negative.

*And note that many tests have had extended expiry dates...

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Here is a thread about the extensions to the expiration dates.

Not all tests are extended but many of them have and that means that the dates on the box may be different from the actual expiration date. I write about it here and how to find out

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Nov 28, 2023
Does halving a vax booster dose make a difference to protection?

It shouldn’t

But could lower adverse effects

New @TheLancet paper is a great reminder that the immune system works on exponential scales

Halving the dose has min impact

Compare blue vs orange (half) per group https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(23)00271-7/fulltext#secsectitle0010  No impact between a full dose (in blue) compared to a half dose (orange) in various prime boost groupings.
The paper is a great demonstration of the studies to perform in order to enhance vaccine distribution & access globally

If in emergencies we halve doses could we drive costs down and massively increase access??

Immune kinetics suggests so.

thelancet.com/journals/lanwp…
This is a bit like Ct values on a PCR test.

You can perform two swabs. One can be only half as effective as the first - and it only amounts to a single Ct difference.

One could be a full 90% less efficient and it’s still only 3Cts different!

We often gloss over exponential
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