When it comes to state action against the chuds Anarchists broadly seem caught in a bit of a bind between 1) treating the state just like any other shitty gang in conflict with another shitty gang, and 2) emphasizing the importance of "legitimacy" and legal precedent.
Obviously it's possible to go too far in either direction. With #1 you can go "literally anything the state gang does to smash the chud gang is good" whereas with #2 folks can get pulled into de facto liberalism, getting wrapped up in the state's ostensible legal logic.
What's kinda amusing is that it's often been insurrectos who've emphasized the importance of state legality and legitimacy, whereas it's often been more... anarcho-DSA types who've taken more fervently to "crush the chuds by any means!"
This of course makes sense when viewed in terms of us v them narratives. Many anarcho-DSA types haven't made a clean break from broadly feeling aligned with "progressives" and liberal democracy. Whereas many insurrectos have focused on the state to the exclusion of other enemies.
As usual in anarchist debates I'm kind of dastardly centrist, I think the state *is* just another gang and it's good when our enemies hurt each other, plus the state doesn't need shit to go after us. But I also think the legal regime & popular legitimacy matter to some degree.

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15 Jan
When Leah talked before a grand jury in 2012 many of her immediate friends leaped to her defense. Thankfully it was rather easy to box largely apolitical kids only passing through the punk scene out of anarchism forever. I worry the coming wave of repression will be far messier.
Today many folks see social media spaces like twitter *as* the movement or scene. And many folks less committed AFK can be louder on here, which means the housemates and buds of a snitch might create giant flamewars online, also making it harder for onlookers to discern norms.
Further, the next wave of state repression is probably going to look more like the 00s Green Scare than the 2012 Grand Jury, that is to say, *many* trials simultaneously. And *a fuck ton* of people snitched in the Green Scare.
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14 Jan
The FBI arrests local cops surprisingly frequently, but this often looks more like a genteel gang applying pressure on a trashy gang than anything to cheer. Let me give an example from the 2008 RNC, and how the FBI pressured the local cops to raid/torture/etc us for them...
Ramsey County sheriff Bob Fletcher has been in the, ah, news recently, but back in 2008 he was the arch villain of the RNC protests, raiding all my "co-conspirators," doing interrogations where he acted like he was on 24, and screaming to the media about terrorism.
Because Fletcher is a quintessential dipshit chud you may be tempted to believe this was all him going off half-cocked. Indeed this became kinda the media narrative, insofar as they pushed back on him at all.

The reality however is more that Fletcher was a useful tool to the FBI
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13 Jan
For fourteen years I've listened to local (A)s bash each other in the harshest terms while still aligning against threats and rapists.

And believe it or not there's a path that doesn't involve either antifascists turning into liberal careerists or insurrectos embracing ecofash.
Professionalized antifascist groups *can* -- because they have serious security risks involving actual murderous prison nazis -- lean into formal organization to the point of reproducing hierarchy and haughtily give marching orders while withholding information. That's fair.
Additionally the current wave of pop antifa -- while a desperate strategy to build cover in the face of looming mass repression -- *has* made for some weird implicit bedfellows, some distraction from radical action, and promoted careerist liberals who will shy from some shit.
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12 Jan
While I hate nazis more—since nazis would make our world a fractal prison to put all existing prisons to shame—putting nazis in prison doesn't rehabilitate them, it merely shits their location (which can be strategic or not), but building the prison system can't build liberation.
Cops and fascists fighting each other is a case of two evil bad gangs fighting each other, you can only hope they kidnap and kill each other. But instead often they end up functionally collaborating (eg prison wardens work with nazi gangs to keep prisons divided).
Talk of "precedent" within the context of liberal statism is a particular thing. It can cut towards hoping the state convicts a nazi of murder (lest other nazis feel emboldened) but it can also cut *against* state action that risks emboldening the state against anarchists.
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8 Jan
> "Groups identifying with Antifa movements haven't engaged in any armed insurrection."


I mean, I guess to be fair, before 2017 there were frequently deep divides between insurrectos & antifascists in the anarchist scene. With insurrectos deriding antifa as liberals.
Gilles Dauve's "When Insurrections Die" is a good representation of many pieces tending to view antifascism as a defense of the liberal order, helping do the state's work for them to keep capitalism stable against the threat of civil war by weeding out threats to order.
I want to be clear that while I agree liberal antifascism can be annoying as hell, and there's important failure modes to be always aware of in this direction, I've always sided harder with my antifascist friends than my insurrecto friends on this.
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7 Jan
Everyone's fighting over comparisons of the summer uprising to the winter coup, how far either got, etc.

I think you can praise the uprising for tagging shit outside the white house, while recognizing the psycho-geography of DC's institutions of power make this quite different.
It is absolutely the case that if the uprising had tried to storm the capitol it would have been met with live ammo.

But *also* the uprising would have focused on destroying/damaging the building rather than selfies and attempts to citizens arrest congress members.
The plain truth of the matter is politicians don't care about some fires set in the streets blocks away from their fortress as much as they do men with guns forcing them to flee out of the building.
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