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People who hadn't learned to chant even a Sukta properly in 150 years,People who due to fear hadn't accepted the whole 1131 samhitas+brahmanas as Vedas often raise questions about Avataravad. Let's see their childlike claims in short:-
People who hadn't learned to chant even a Sukta properly in 150 years,People who due to fear hadn't accepted the whole 1131 samhitas+brahmanas as Vedas often raise questions about Avataravad. Let's see their childlike claims in short:-
The first thing you need to know is that Vedas have the mention of all three types of Ishvara. सगुण - साकार, सगुण -
निराकार,निर्गुण - निराकार।।Mention of one type doesn't Cancels other.
निराकार,निर्गुण - निराकार।।Mention of one type doesn't Cancels other.
Claim 1:-Yajurveda 40/8 calls him अकायम्, अव्रण means without body,Veins and Pores
Here in this mantra Ishvara is called अकाय without body and then he is called without pores(अव्रण) without veins( अस्नाविर) Is it पुनरुक्ति दोष because By "without body" all these can be expressed.
Here in this mantra Ishvara is called अकाय without body and then he is called without pores(अव्रण) without veins( अस्नाविर) Is it पुनरुक्ति दोष because By "without body" all these can be expressed.
What is काया the sharir obtained for Karma fala is kaya when it is not there then these pores,veins, impurity takes place because of karmas he us free from Karma-bandhana.His body is ever pure unlike ours.
What is काया the sharir obtained for Karma fala । when it is not there then these pores,veins, impurity takes place because of karmas he us free from Karma-bandhana hence he is without these pores and veins.
his body is ever pure unlike ours. अकाय means without सूक्ष्म शरीर and अस्नाविर Without स्थूल शरीर without papa-punya ।
Same thing is said by Krishna about him(an excerpt from the book of puri Shankracharya ji)
Same thing is said by Krishna about him(an excerpt from the book of puri Shankracharya ji)
Even if parmatma is called अज somewhere it can't stop him from taking Avatar. जीवात्मा is also अज (without birth)अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो(Gita 2/20) Krishna himself call him as अज, अजोऽपि सन्नव्ययात्मा(Gita 4/6)
In yajurveda 31.19 the avatar of सगुण - निराकार to सगुण - साकार is shown,Vishnu sukta 1/154/2 too shows the avatar.There are many more mantras and Brahman part is full of them.
And then after it they'll show you the mantra saying Ishvara is Nirakar. That's also not a problem there are mantras of sakar Ishvara too.
As arya samaji do they derive the saakar mantras as nirakar similarly anyone can call your nirakar as निरुपम: आकारो यस्य स:🥱
As arya samaji do they derive the saakar mantras as nirakar similarly anyone can call your nirakar as निरुपम: आकारो यस्य स:🥱
When failed these fools make a funny question that according to sankhya an element can't have different characteristics.
we reply to this as Ishvara is not an element. Ishvara can have opposite characteristic अणोरणीयान् महतो महीयान्(Shvetasvara 3/20)
we reply to this as Ishvara is not an element. Ishvara can have opposite characteristic अणोरणीयान् महतो महीयान्(Shvetasvara 3/20)
Then they ask about How could sakar be SarvaVyapak? to which we reply as "Agni is SarvaVyapak in all places but if it is used as a fire at some place the omniscience of agni is not lost" then bhagvan who is purely अप्राकृत how could his omniscience be affected?
If any Arya samajis want to interpret 3 foots of vishnu as 3 lokas of surya(by translating vishnu as surya) they are free it do not cancels the main meaning. Their imaginary translations does not mean anything.
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