1. These comments from @NicolaSturgeon are revealing and, frankly, frightening. She really needs to listen, understand and engage more.

Some of this seems wilfully ignorant, some is insulting to the intelligence and some appears to be an attempt to smear women. Thread/
2. Very few countries have introduced self-ID. Several are now experiencing serious issues. Others are hardly leaders in women's rights.

They incl: Ireland, Malta, Norway, Argentina, Portugal & Belgium.

Canada, some US states & Iran have also been cited/
3. @DebbieHayton explores the experiment in Norway and the horribly detrimental impact on women. Women have been dragged through court for complaining about naked males in changing areas. Rape "by women" has increased 300% in 2 years.
4. Or perhaps Ms Sturgeon looks to Malta - a country where abortion is illegal in all circumstances and the government is mired in corruption, with some rumoured to be complicit in the murder of critics?
5. Or Argentina, which, until this year criminalised women for abortions? Women who found themselves in prison for this "crime" might be incarcerated with trans ID individuals like Nahir Fernández who savagely beat a women Fernandez impregnated in prison.
6. Ms Sturgeon mentions Ireland, claiming self ID was done without "the furore or any of the concerns that have been expressed here materializing in any way shape or form."

Perhaps because articles on Barbie Kardashian and others are ruthlessly censored
7. Then there is Yogyakarta which is referred to as "international best practice" by members of the SNP and SGP (who want to enshrine it in Scots Law). Robert Wintemute, one of the lawyers who drafted it now says the impact on women was not consisdered.
8. Ms Sturgeon might also read this from human rights lawyer Prof Rosa Freedman. She talks about some of the international examples and the problems which have arisen.
9. This is a terrible argument. Ms Sturgeon appears to be saying that because other people said they were going to do something which subsequently was revealed as problematic and wrong-headed, she is pressing on.
10. The toxicity and the division is, in large measure the fault of a first minister and a government who refused to engage with women and answer questions, taking instead their lead from "no debate" and accusing others of bigotry.
Oh, and claiming we don't understand or know what we are talking about. Saying this to engaged, politically active women from many professions is deeply offensive.

Rather than insulting us, she could answer specific questions. She hasn't as yet.
12. And then we come to the accusations of bigotry
because, when in doubt, it shuts down debate.

Perhaps Ms Sturgeon could be specific. Who are the transphobic people? What are they saying? Could she point to specifics?
13. We have already said in this thread why claiming that you are a "feminist to your fingertips" is not an argument nor an answer. Especially when your actions belie this.
14. Harvie also spoke about people who want to roll back abortion rights. Such people have always existed, but they are not radical feminists or women's rights activists. Altho, in past, ome ministers in SNP Govs have argued for restrictions.
15. And on the subject of violent men. We know that you refused to protect women in the Hate Crime Bill because these men might, in unknown ways, exploit loopholes.

Can you explain, Ms Sturgeon why they would never exploit loopholes in self-ID?
This is not a misconception. There is a legal fudge that needs to be clarified before extension.

It is true that most of the assault on spaces supposedly protected under EA, have been done ahead of change to law by Ms Sturgeon's gov and funded orgs.
Ms Sturgeon should really listen to the comprehensive answers given by @fairplaywomen @FiLiA_charity and @Womans_Place_UK at the Commons Women's and Equality committee if she really wished to understand why extension without checks is an issue.
18. Yes, you can be pro-women's rights and pro-trans rights. However, if you insist on removing women's rights in law and language, if you redefine us, threaten us, or criminalise us for raising issues, you are not on the side of women.
19, Forgot this one. Many of our trans allies disagree with this assessment of the GRA process.

It is also far less traumatic and bureaucratic than PiP assessment which affects many more very vulnerable people. Ms Sturgeon has not tried to tackle this.

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