This is just how scientists talk. "It is inconsistent with evolutionary theory" *only* entails 1. they have a theoretical model concerning viral evolution & 2. there are features of this virus that did not match that theory. This happens in biology & other sciences *all* the time
Andersen went on to research the unique features of the virus and then their theory evolved. There is no conspiracy here. Andersen's letter to Nature Medicine explains their thought process. nature.com/articles/S4159…
Go onto google scholar. Read some of the articles on viruses, genomes, classification, etc. Scholars are tweaking their models & their data analyses *all the time*. Researchers spend their entire careers arguing about the classification of specific viruses & evolutionary models
Just skim these passages. You don't have to understand all the content. But pay attention to the framing. "Here's something we don't understand. Maybe this model will account for it."
Then go back and read the Fauci-Andersen exchange.
Doesn't seem so odd now, does it?
Go back & skim Andersen's *own* work in which he discusses the unique features of SarsCOV2
And realize just how ridiculous it is to assert that a scientist would risk their personal reputation to suppress info about a virus that they knew would be widely studied
Also, it is not odd that Andersen said "crack pot theories." It's like if a person were doing research on mice, said "this mouse's survival is inconsistent w/ my model," & was then asked if this inconsistency was evidence that his research team was building an army of Uber Mice
Finally, @NBCNews did a terrible job paraphrasing & quoting the email. "Some of the features look (potentially) engineered" is *way* more assertive than what Andersen actually said, which was more along the lines of, "if you look really, really closely, this is something strange"
Yes, it's a direct quote, but the removal of the context changes both the tone and meaning. I'm not being nitpicky.
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I do not like sweeping people's concerns, fears, or pain under the rug. I do not like gaslighting people. If a significant number of people from a minority or otherwise vulnerable population express concerns, fears, or pain, I believe it is wrong to pretend they are not speaking
Perhaps, after hearing people from a group express their concerns, fears, or pain, you will enter all of this differently into your political calculus than I do. That is a more honorable step than not listening at all. If you are intellectually honest about it.
And not listening at all is still less gross than pretending people are not speaking. I do not like this mass act of gaslighting. It disgusts me on a very deep level. I am speaking, here, of American Jews who are expressing concerns, fears, or pain.
The comparisons between any modern protest movement we've seen & the Civil Rights Movement are simply inaccurate. The inaccuracy is beyond frustrating b/c it contributes to an erasure of history. An erasure of the nature of the movement itself. Here are notes from CORE, 1963
The purpose of the movement was to show the world the apartheid state. Nonviolence was a "philosophy" re: right/wrong, but it was also, perhaps more importantly, a tactic w/in a broader strategy. "You will be peaceful. And you will be beaten. And then the world will see."
Members would gather together & study the violence others had experienced. They would then carry out that violence against each other. In order to train themselves, they would hit each other, spit on each other, call each other the n-word. They practiced singing through it.
Here's what I think.
-We have never paid as much attention to any war as we have the Israel/Gaza war. Even our "own" wars.
-Israel has consistently been framed as the primary agent in this defensive war, with malicious (genocidal) intent against Palestinians
-Why?
-Just the fact that we pay more attention to this war should be illuminating.
Why.
Does it require more attention than the Syrian Civil War, Sudan, Ukraine, etc?
Why.
I'm going to tell you what the end of my thought process is, re: the "why"
It's because of Jews. Or, rather, not because of Jews but because of fucking gentile bullshit re: Jews.
I did know that, in fact. And now I know something else: You are wildly unqualified to make any comments on this topic. The depth of the ignorance that you proudly display as "knowledge" is so freaking profound that I don't think you even know what antisemitism is.
If you don't know that
-"Jewish" refers to an ethnicity, as well as a religion
-Western antisemitism has, for over a century (at least, maybe longer) been primarily an anti-ethnic phenomenon
&
-Being Christian hasn't saved ethnic Jews before
Please get out of the conversation.
I would laugh if this weren't so serious. These are profound errors. Is this where they're going now? "He was Christian so it wasn't antisemitic?" I cannot stress how profoundly ignorant that point is about what "Jewish" means & what "antisemitism" means.
Yes. I would count myself as having been sane about Israel pre-10/7, vis à vis other people, as well as careful about my conscious bias. After 10/7, I realized I--& other Westerners--were subject to greater bias than we knew & this bias can be linked to decades of propaganda.
This doesn't mean I approve of Netanyahu's conduct in war or his war-planning. It just means I did not view Israel w/ clarity of thought, nor did I understand its history vis à vis Palestine at all. And I would consider myself well-educated in history.
I'll firmly argue that this type of bias is not only unjust towards Israelis, but unjust towards Palestinians. Many have been indoctrinated by the very same propaganda that has intentionally held Palestinian people as a permanent refugee population to be exploited symbolically.
This is important. It also jogged my memory. I didn't always know this history. I only learned about it last year. I learned about it precisely bc I suspected, from my experience on this website, that Russia was exploiting & amplifying antisemitism, as well as divisions over I/P
Let me correct myself, before continuing. I said I "suspected" RU was exploiting & amplifying antisemitism. That is incorrect. I actually *knew* this was happening. It was documented. What I "suspected" was that it was *also* happening on this site.
So the chain of evidence & inference is important in the service of "theory-building" or "truth-seeking" or whatever we call it. I knew what Russian strategies were. I had experienced Russian interference online before (2016, etc). I felt I was experiencing the same re: I/P.