@MichaelGLFlood Gotell and Dutton 2016?

Do you mean the feminists who bragged that they succeeded in making men's innocence almost impossible to demonstrate (xyonline.net/sites/xyonline…, p.66)?
@MichaelGLFlood That paper that @MichaelGLFlood cites is "Sexual Violence in the ‘Manosphere’: Antifeminist Men’s Rights Discourses on Rape" by Lise Gotell and Emily Dutton and published in 2016 in the _International Journal for Crime, Justice and Social Democracy_ (xyonline.net/sites/xyonline…).
@MichaelGLFlood "In this paper, [the authors] explore the role that antifeminist men’s rights activism (MRA[]) is playing in a contemporary backlash to feminist anti‐rape activism" (xyonline.net/sites/xyonline…, p. 66).
@MichaelGLFlood "While these highly misogynist discourses are challenging … feminist research, [the authors] contend that it is important to engage as there is a real danger that MRA claims could come to define the popular conversation about sexual violence" (xyonline.net/sites/xyonline…, p. 66).
@MichaelGLFlood Note, Dr. @MichaelGLFlood wrote that "[m]en’s rights ideologies and discourses are characterised by pervasive sexism and women-hating" (archive.ph/jFKBw).

Dr. @MichaelGLFlood previously wrote that MRAs "portray men as the victims of … feminism" (archive.ph/ekEP8).
@MichaelGLFlood The authors "did not come to this research through scholarly interest. Instead, when MRAs sought to undermine a local anti‐sexual violence campaign, this project found" the authors (xyonline.net/sites/xyonline…, p. 66).
@MichaelGLFlood "Edmonton has been home to an award‐winning campaign against sexual assault, ‘Don’t be THAT Guy’[, that] … used social marketing directed at men as a tool of sexual violence prevention" (xyonline.net/sites/xyonline…, p. 66).
@MichaelGLFlood "In July 2013, Men’s Rights Edmonton (MRE)… created a copycat poster that distorted one of… [the] original ads[ e]ntitled ‘Don’t be THAT Girl’" (xyonline.net/sites/xyonline…, p. 66).
@MichaelGLFlood "Largely as a result of feminist law reform and litigation, Canada has… an affirmative consent standard…. [with] no implied consent…; silence and ambiguity cannot… indicat[e] agreement to engage in sex; and consent must be active throughout…" (xyonline.net/sites/xyonline…, p.66).
@MichaelGLFlood Let's look at the Canadian affirmative consent standard more closely. Since the law was the result of feminist advocacy and Dr. @MichaelGLFlood wrote that "[m]en’s rights advocates … portray men as the victims of … feminism" (archive.ph/ekEP8).
@MichaelGLFlood "Canada has moved towards an affirmative consent standard…. There is no implied consent in Canadian law; silence and ambiguity cannot be taken as indicating agreement to engage in sex; and consent must be active throughout a sexual encounter" (xyonline.net/sites/xyonline…, p.66).
@MichaelGLFlood Canadian Criminal Code § 273.2(b): "the accused believed that the complainant consented to the activity…, where … the accused did not take reasonable steps, in the circumstances known to the accused at the time, to ascertain that the complainant was consenting."
@MichaelGLFlood Canadian Criminal Code § 273.2(c): "the accused believed that the complainant consented to the activity…, where … there is no evidence that the complainant’s voluntary agreement to the activity was affirmatively expressed by words or actively expressed by conduct."
@MichaelGLFlood Canadian Criminal Code § 276(2): "…evidence shall not be adduced by or on behalf of the accused that the complainant has engaged in sexual activity other than the sexual activity that forms the subject-matter of the charge…."
@MichaelGLFlood Canadian Criminal Code § 276(4): "[f]or the purpose of this section, sexual activity includes any communication made for a sexual purpose or whose content is of a sexual nature." (Note that "sexual activity" was in italics and bold in the original code.)
@MichaelGLFlood The relevant part of Canada's Criminal Code can be found here:

laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/…

laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/…
@MichaelGLFlood If you record consent to sex, each consent recording constitutes a separate sex act different from the sex act that is charged as sexual assault (read: rape).

Thus, each such consent recording requires special permission to be admitted (making innocence harder to prove).
@MichaelGLFlood When one needs to prove that one sought and got affirmative consent by law in order to show that the sex one engaged in wasn't rape, but the evidence of that consent can also be excluded as a matter of law, the possibility of any false accusations should concern everyone.
@MichaelGLFlood In such a legal climate where one might reasonably fear that one would be legally forbidden from demonstrating one's innocence, it's entirely reasonable to campaign for women to not falsely accuse men of rape (even if such false accusations were rare since there isn't a remedy).
@MichaelGLFlood In presenting the article by Lise Gotell and Emily Dutton to support his contentions about "[m]en’s rights advocates," @MichaelGLFlood presents the idea that campaigning against false rape allegations is acting "against efforts to stop sexual violence," which is nonsensical.
@MichaelGLFlood Moreover, in presenting the article by Lise Gotell and Emily Dutton to support his contentions about "[m]en’s rights advocates," @MichaelGLFlood presents the idea that campaigning against false rape allegations is an example of "pervasive sexism and women-hating" which is absurd.
@MichaelGLFlood This is made worse by the Canadian context where proving one's innocence is not reasonably possible.

So feminists who brag that they succeeded in making men's innocence almost impossible to prove is NOT evidence of "men as the victims of … feminism," Dr. @MichaelGLFlood?
@MichaelGLFlood Is fighting against false allegations in a legal jurisdiction that nearly prohibits the use of evidence of innocence wrong, Dr. @MichaelGLFlood?

The article you cite supporting your contention that MRAs are acting against the interests of rape accusers suggests it is wrong.
@MichaelGLFlood Well, Dr. @MichaelGLFlood, you have gone so far as to call fighting against false allegations in a legal jurisdiction that nearly prohibits the use of evidence of innocence evidence of "pervasive sexism and women-hating" (archive.ph/jFKBw).
@MichaelGLFlood In such a context, how would anyone NOT conclude that you, Dr. @MichaelGLFlood, are in favor of punishing the innocent accused when you posted that MRAs are acting against rape accusers and support it with an article arguing that fighting false accusations is wrong.
@MichaelGLFlood @threader_app, please compile.

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