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Sep 14, 2021 60 tweets 22 min read Read on X
Did Robert Malone invent mRNA vaccines?

This🧵will answer from first principles, a question that comes up surprisingly often in pandemic-related conversations.

As always, I'll give you the primary sources and my reasoning so you can take my answer apart and put yours together. Image
First, a caveat: You may have noticed that me and Dr. Malone have shared good words for each other. All that was *after* my original investigation thread that this one will polish and complete. Regardless, the case made should not require you to trust me. Image
We'll be focusing on the claim as seen on Dr Malone's Twitter profile: "Inventor of mRNA vaccines". To get there, first we need to define what it means to invent something. After all, battles over who the "real" inventor of something is have some times carried on for decades. Image
So to put some guardrails in place, the inventor of something doesn't have to be the one who invented its current form. We don't question the Wright Brothers' invention of the airplane on the basis that they didn't invent the Boeing 747. Image
Similarly, Google readily identifies the inventor of the electric toaster as Alan MacMasters, even what he invented looks like a cross between a fire hazard and a torture instrument, and it only toasted bread on one side at a time. ImageImage
In fact, by patent law, one isn't even required to produce a proof of concept. Conception itself is what matters, but we'll set the standard higher than that, for avoidance of doubt.
What we're interested in is the person who did what Peter Thiel calls the "Zero to One" step. Future iterations may go from one to infinity, and are worthy or praise, but the inventor is the one who made something where nothing was before, the discontinuous step. Image
With this frame in mind, let's try to locate the history of the technology. I will use this well-cited paper from 2019 as my reference, as it is recent enough to be current but old enough to be untouched by pandemic drama. biblio.ugent.be/publication/86…
Their first paragraph positions the introduction of the technology to a San Diego biotech startup called Vical. Image
They even give us a pretty timeline. One thing that stands out is that the work of Vical is isolated in time from other groups, with the next paper in the timeline being published 3 years later. It really does seem that the work at Vical is where things started. ImageImage
A more current reference some use is this article from Stat. They seem to identify the earliest steps at the University of Wisconsin. Others still pinpoint the Salk Institute as the birthplace of the technology. What is going on? statnews.com/2020/11/10/the… Image
Well, if we follow the first link from the original review paper, we end up with this page in PNAS, pnas.org/content/86/16/… attributing the paper to Salk Institute. Image
If we dig for the original, however, something fascinating shows up. The affiliation of the 1st author (Malone) is in 3 institutions, while author #2 and author #3 are in one institution each, shared only with Malone: pnas.org/content/pnas/8… This is very unusual in a publication. Image
The obvious explanation is this: This work is primarily Malone's and he's crediting two supervisors at the two institutions at which parts of the work was conducted: Felgner at Vical, and Verma at Salk. This is well-understood to anyone who's published in modern academia.
Supervisors almost always get their names in their reports' publications. This doesn't mean that they did (or didn't) do the work. It's a sad part of academic life that your life essentially depends on your super, so it is "tradition" that you put their name in your publications.
However this particular publication, showing a cross-institutional trail, as Malone moved from Salk to Vical the same year as this publication (1989) makes it far less likely the work was supervisor-heavy. Subordinates don't carry their supervisors' projects across positions.
The Stat article points to a 1990 paper and credits it to the University of Wisconsin. Indeed, if we look at the paper on a modern catalog, this seems to bear out: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1690918/ Image
Similarly to the previous paper, however, if we go to the original, there's far more subtlety to work through: Malone and Felgner were credited as working at Vical. To credit this paper as purely the work of University of Wisconsin researchers doesn't seem accurate. ImageImage
What's happening? Putting my "IT systems architect" hat on, I will wager a guess that whatever database migrations have happened to get these old papers online have been passed through systems that have room for only one affiliated institute, with the result we see here.
Only one institution is named, the first one named for the first author. Everything else is cut off, only to be found by looking at the original papers themselves. It is very likely that this accident of history has confused not a few journalists reporting on this question.
To strip out much of the noise in this second paper, the authorship structure is this:
So, to summarize, this paper has the following structure.
Author 1 - UW (Wolff)
Author 2 - Vical (Malone)
Author 3 - UW
Author 4 - UW
Author 5 - UW
Author 6 - UW
Author 7 - Vical (Felgner)
This looks like a clear sharing of authorship between UW and Vical, with UW taking the lead. Dr. Malone replied to my original thread explaining how that decision was made:
What seems certain is that as the review paper cites, the backbone of the project was in the Vical team. Given that all the work must have been done while Malone was there, how long was his stay at Vical? His account is that it was from some point in January '89 to August '89. Image
It does raise some eyebrows then, that this 1990 article from the LA Times about the work, mentions Malone only once, and in the form of a footnote. latimes.com/archives/la-xp…
But the article does contain some fascinating history. Theodore Friedmann at UCSD was working on a different technique using viruses. One of the Assistant Profs in his lab, magically shows up with a blockbuster paper using a different method. How long was he working on it? Image
In this article Wolff clearly states that his involvement in the field was driven by the research contract with Vical, which begun in January 1989. The team at UW, by their own admission, did not originate the work, confirming Malone. Image
The story from Malone's side is documented by his wife, Dr. Jill Glasspool-Malone. We won't rely on this document much for obvious reasons, but it does plug in some important holes and fits with what we've already found out: static1.squarespace.com/static/550b0ac… Image
This second quote might go some way towards explaining why, in 1990, Vical staff (particularly Felgner) appeared to not really recognize their most prominent author in the two most relevant publications. Image
The only other common thread is Felgner. However, something interesting that is obvious in the record is that Vical, despite early promise, did not continue this research. It sold the patents to Merck, who also didn't continue the work.
In a later pubic filing, however, it seems clear that the purchase by Merck was to develop vaccines for humans. Whatever technology was described in the Vical patents, it was a technology that Merck thought was ready to move to human applications. Image
Going back to Felgner, he seems to be, in recent years, claiming to have been one of the founders of Vical: library.ucsd.edu/sdta/histories… Image
However, Dr. Malone questioned this claim in my original thread, and upon investigating, the claim doesn't seem to match what is part of the public record. Vical was founded the year before Felgner joined, and it lists 4 founders, none of whom is Felgner. esg.censible.co/companies/Vica Image
Another fascinating hint is that the woman many claim is the true inventor of the technology, Dr Katalin Karikó, acknowledges Dr Malone in her 1998 publication on the topic. This doesn't help Felgner's case for being the driving force behind the invention. reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/…
What we have so far is a burst of progress around 1989, centered around Salk Institute & Vical, starting as Malone joins Vical, stopping pretty much right after Malone departs, with the patents sold off to Merck. Felgner also seems to have a history of claiming others' credit.
But what did the Vical team actually invent? Malone has shared the first experimental data delivered to USPTO already in March 1990 showing immunity generated in mice by the Vical team. It's a vaccine, proven working in mammals. rwmalonemd.com/s/First-mRNA-v ImageImageImageImage
At the same time, part of the documents on Malone's website points to patent applications filed via Salk Institute at the same time, describing technology that sounds incredibly familiar these days: static1.squarespace.com/static/550b0ac… Image
And in fact some of the notes that Dr. Malone has put up on his website date all the way back to 1988, the days he was at Salk:

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So if work started at Salk, and continued at Vical, as the publications indicate, and the materials shared by Dr. Malone confirm, how did the transfer of the work happen? A fascinating meeting summary is also shared by Dr Malone: static1.squarespace.com/static/550b0ac… Image
The document seems to discuss five parties: Vical, Syntex, WARF, Salk, and UCSF. A lot of content for something this short. Syntex is Felgner's former employer, WARF is the representative of University of Wisconsin (employer of Wolff), Salk is the former employer of Malone.
Malone's supervisor at Salk was Inder Verma, mentioned here as "Inder". The Karl and Doug mentioned are two of the founders of Vical. UCSF is another institution Malone was affiliated with. This document shows Vical consolidating its control of the IP.
On the one hand they expect that their payments to Wolff/UW as well as documentation of phonecalls should protect them from claims from that side, while on the other side discussing licensing Salk IP, and offering Dr. Verma an advisory position at Vical. Once cleared, they seem..
...to be planning a presentation to the Board of Directors and the company's scientific advisors. Running a startup myself, this looks like a reasonably familiar set of steps a company would take if they had a valuable asset. More importantly, the involvement of Salk lends more..
...credence to Malone's claim that he carried over the work from Salk, and that it wasn't something that simply sprung up in a few months in Vical (which was implausible to begin with). What about Syntex though? Did Felgner perhaps bring the the technology from there?
Another document from 1988 shared by Malone sheds light here. It's a note sent from Malone to Felgner describing Malone's work with Felgner's lipids, as well as sharing some hints as to why Felgner's earlier attempts to transfer mRNA may have failed. static1.squarespace.com/static/550b0ac…
Dr. Malone also shares another 1989 publication credited only to himself which appears to describe, for the most part, the work done at Verma's lab in Salk, published after he left Vical. Google Scholar knows of this publication, but doesn't give a link. static1.squarespace.com/static/550b0ac… Image
So where does this review of evidence leave us? We see a clear line from Salk to Vical, a proof of concept, and then a trail running cold until it's picked up again later by Katalin Karikó, until its eventual application to humans.
And so we're left with a question of semantics. If the original work by Malone and collaborators at Salk and Vical bring the work upto the level of proving efficacy on mice, and the subsequent work by others brought it to be used in humans, who invented the technology?
I think by the frame we set early on, the answer is clear. Just because the Wright Brothers' first flight in the Kitty Hawk crossed a distance smaller than the wingspan of a modern 747, that doesn't mean that the inventors of the 747 can claim they invented the airplane.
Similarly, the work that brings us to having a working vaccine in humans is worthy of praise, but given that they incremented off of prior work that worked in mice, the "zero to one" designation has to go to the work that proved the concept in mice.
In the patents we can see the work done on mice clearly, as well as the results of induced protective immune response. In my eyes, the question of whether Dr. Malone has earned the right to call himself "inventor of mRNA vaccines" would not be controversial in normal times.
There may be quibbles about apportioning of credit to different collaborators in the early work, but that's not what we're seeing. Journalists today shift the entire conversation to "who invented mRNA vaccines for humans" which is a completely different question.
Worse, some journalists distort Dr. Malone's claim to be "inventor of the currently in use mRNA vaccines for COVID-19". This kind of alteration can only be understood as extreme incompetence or malice. In any case, nobody can take an article framing things that way seriously.
There are a lot more threads that can be chased down with regards to this question, I hope I've kept my promise from the top of this thread: I've given you links to original material, and my reasoning as to why Dr. Malone's claim is at the very least legitimate and reasonable.
I look forward to your feedback, and I will append any interesting additions that inevitably will emerge to the end of this thread. Thank you for reading this far!
Ah, our first footnote! @KimJone04052805 asks whether @luigi_warren is part of the story here. In my understanding Luigi Warren made mRNA reprogramming breakthroughs that led to the early IP that launched Moderna.
For once, the story here is clear, so let's take it straight from Luigi's mouth. He seems to confirm the conclusions we reached in this thread:
If you're interested Dr Malone's views on what is going on with the pandemic, who should get vaccinated, and what is the way forward, I wrote up a portion of an interview he did recently. It's some of the most concise, incisive thinking I've come across:
Thanks to @ReasonedScience for digging up the exact part of the 1989 patent that shows the work on immunizing mammals (mice) against HIV by Malone & Co.
And this is the actual patent from where that excerpt came:

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