Under capitalism, labourers are not paid according to their contribution to social production but according to the reproduction costs of the one commodity they have to sell: labour-power.
To think otherwise betrays a liberal misunderstanding of Marx's theory of *surplus*-value.
The comrades who yawn at the fact that in the socialized soviet industries, labour was compensated according to contribution to the social working day and *not* according to reproduction costs of labour-power, seem to think that capitalism is when workers get paid for their work.
These comrades totally collapse Marx's main point that capitalists compensate labourers exactly NOT "according to work done", NOT in correspondence to the product of their labour
but "according to the costs of labour-power" = products necessary for the reproduction of labourers.
@Tigger0000 @bartok_mlm @jfcoliveira261 @ianpaulwright 😅this would be embarrassing even if i had to teach much here.
also a lot on the concept table, i can merely put out some opinion based on pedantic sticking / referring to Marx's theory at this point --
to begin with, Marx does not call value "intrinsic value" for good reasons.
@Tigger0000 @bartok_mlm @jfcoliveira261 @ianpaulwright It is not a minor correction to John Lockes "intrinsic value" being subjectivist and arbitrary crap through and through, and we don't just add a bit of objective determinate moment of SNLT-determination to the issue of value to now arrive at a "more objective" "intrinsic value".
@Tigger0000 @bartok_mlm @jfcoliveira261 @ianpaulwright Only SNLT "measured" (actually: deciphered!) in an environment of commodity producers = exchangability of products among different proprietors, attains the quality of value. otherwise value would be *identified* ≡ SNLT, and contradictions value<>SNLT would be ideally liquidated.
Reminder that the famous author of a book called »How to Read Marx's Capital«, Michael Heinrich, publicly falsified the first *paragraph* of Marx's »Capital« in order to slander Engels and to promote Heinrichs very own private anti-Engels *and* anti-Marx »interpretation« of Marx:
Some guy who does not *prohibit* being praised as "the world's leading scholar on Marx" in advertisements for his books should not be taken seriously anyway - but there are certain strange remnants of theoretical credibility surrounding this author.
Some comrades claim that Engels wrote in 1847: "Nations won't exist under communism."
These comrades are profoundly mistaken. They should reconsider and read Engels more closely instead vulgarizing live on anglo twitter dot com what Engels actually wrote in 1847:
It should be added that the "Manifesto of the Communist Party" from 1848 does not contain anything resembling the static notion of "Nations won't exist under communism" either, talking about a *process* of vanishing of national differences and antagonisms between peoples at most:
Only petty-bourgeois radicalist *distortions* and *vulgarizations* of Marxism, of Marx' & Engels' theories & works, entail such clumsy static lines of thought as "Nations won't exist under communism", cutting out the critical sting of Marxism and reducing it to a dogmatic decree.
One consequence of establishing communist society is that social relations come along without money & value which cease to exist✅
But slogans like "abolish money" & "abolish value" are NOT scientific expressions of communism🚫
There petty-bourgeois distortions of Marx begin.🧵
Just like "abolish money", "abolish the state", "free unicorn rides for all🦄" etc,
the slogan "abolish value" one-sidedly isolates a partial consequence (and insufficient sub-determination) of a characteristic of communist society AGAINST the real movement to achieve communism.
It is telling that we find neither the expression "abolish money" nor "abolish value" in the entire works of such conscientious scientific-critical communists as Marx and Engels who provide us such a rich and even bloomy variety of ACCURATE, SCIENTIFIC expressions of communism.