THREAD: In light of this blockbuster interview, our source in the affirmative parents' FB group today sent us a thread from 2020, started by a parent worried about her 10-year-old "AMAB's" future sex life. 1/n bariweiss.substack.com/p/top-trans-do…
"I've heard anecdotally amab kids that take blockers at Tanner 2 & then hormones may be unable to achieve orgasm, and have yet to see any evidence to the contrary. Already, at age 10, they [won't have] genetic children. It breaks my heart they may have to lose anything else." 2/n
Others (including an "AMAB" parent) note there is no research on this--only anecdotes. "Your mileage may vary...some have plenty of function while others don't."
Dr. Marci Bowers, Jazz's surgeon, is mentioned. 3/n
Some say their AMABs need to "work on" or "practice" achieving orgasm, but (despite parental cajoling?)..."My child refused to try" ..."My daughter is only 15 & has no interest in that right now. She's definitely not asexual just says she isn't ready for that yet." 4/n
Parent whose "AMAB" has already had surgery at 16 thinks it's "not worth it" to worry what their child's life may be like in 10 years. Two others chime in: one kid is nonbinary & just wants a "cosmetic" change, the other isn't dysphoric but "just knew she wanted a vagina." 5/n
Parent of a 14 year old who's been on blockers/estrogen patches "for a number of years" brings up the inevitable suicide card. "I wouldn't change a thing." 6/n
Another criticizes original poster for her "hangup" about her kid's future sex life. "There are millions of cis women out there who never experienced an orgasm." OP pushes back, doesn't want to "chemically castrate" her child."
Much more to come from this long thread. 7/n
Original poster valiantly pushes back, concerned that she has found NO clear evidence she won't be both sterilizing her 10-year-old AND consigning them to a life without ever having an orgasm. The response? "Seriously, the cis het center on sex a great deal." 8/n
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1/Clinicians exposed in the #WPATHfiles admitted something obvious to any unbiased observer: Tweens/young teens can't make informed decisions about their future fertility. Blockers followed directly by cross-sex hormones typically results in sterility. 🧵
2/So how do pediatric genderists justify this rather significant side effect? A stunning recent example of a clinician rationalizing "they don't get it, but let's do it anyway" is a 2021 Zoom training with celebrity WPATH developmental psychologist Diane Ehrensaft.
3/Don't burden kids w/ "TMI" about icky & (to a 12 yr old) irrelevant talk about future baby-making. Ehrensaft: "How can a child 2 or 3 stages behind Erikson’s stage 7 anticipate what they will feel 2 or 3 stages later? It’s for us to start finding out. And we are.” #WPATHfiles
Planned Parenthood is sharing "facts" for parents on Facebook and other social media--including this one: Gender identity is formed "for everyone" in their toddler years.
They encourage parents to ASK their preschooler "are you a boy or a girl" to "create a safer space."
Here's a Facebook post from a couple days ago pushing these "facts." They manage to play the "suicide or transition" card, trans toddlers, and "there's no social contagion" -- all in one meme.
Must-watch clip from the Netherlands. Apart from the fact that brain studies have never been carried out on puberty-blocked youth, evidence from animal studies has revealed something huge: Blockers impair emotional and social development and behavior. In particular ...1/n 🧵
The ability to regulate emotions is a key aspect of normal development. What is emotional regulation? it includes understanding and modulating behavior rather than simply following one's impulses and acting on them--as most immature children do. 2/n
The very basis of "affirmative" care is that a child is "persistent, consistent, insistent" in their desire to be the other sex. How much of that demand is rooted in the very natural emotional immaturity of a child who is not yet able to process and regulate their emotions? 3/n
It's hard to believe Turban isn't being deliberately misleading. He KNOWS nearly all puberty-blocked kids go on to cross hormones, and that protocol does result in infertility. And immature gametes can't be frozen for later use; natural puberty is required for that.
Right here, Seattle Children's Hospital says it.
Turban knows. He just won't say it, because blocked kids almost never stop blockers and go through their "birth assigned puberty." So yes--they are sterilized! @JeremyShawMD
Right here, Diane Ehrensaft says it--at the very beginning of this clip. The standard affirmative protocol (which Jack Turban constantly promotes) sterilizes children--and Turban knows it. dailymotion.com/video/x7kqndq
Even people who support pediatric medical transition should question the trans-kid celebrity trend. "Hey I blocked my kid's puberty at 11, then put them on cross hormones at 12. This sterilized them & may have wrecked their future sexual function before they had any concept of what they were sacrificing... but look at me! Look at what a virtuous parent I am!" Oh, what if they regret all that publicity later on ... or even regret their transition? Maybe keeping private medical decisions about a minor...you know, private, might have been a better idea? "No worries, I'm on the right side of history. I'm not like those bigots! After all, my kid might be the next Jazz Jennings, getting SRS on national TV at 17!"
Imagine one of these children wanting to detransition, now or in the future. That's hard enough (ask any detransitioner) when you're not a public spectacle being unkindly gawked at by some, and depended upon by others (like the @ACLU , @HRC ) to promote a narrative. You are virtually guaranteeing these kids will maintain their "identity" because of all the public fallout they'd endure if they ever change their minds.
Closing quote from Diane Ehrensaft: " [kids] are far more advanced than I am, as somebody in my 70s, about how they live and understand gender...“So if we want to really understand gender, turn to the experts—and that would be the youth themselves.” archive.li/2023.08.24-123…
Scientific American @sciam a once-respected publication, didn't bother to ask why this 70+-yr-old **developmental psychologist** thinks a kid is equipped to sterilize themselves & knows more than she does. But then, neither did @wapo in 2018.
How does Ehrensaft keep getting away with this quasi-religious reverence for the wisdom and judgment of pre-pubescent kids? It would be one thing if the stakes weren't so high--as in, permanent sterilization and irreversible bodily changes. As a developmental psych, she KNOWS executive function is not fully in place until the mid-20s. Yet she keeps pushing her kids-know-best catechism and no reporter pushes back.