I bought some $zm Nov 2019 at 18x fwd EV/Sales. At the time I had modeled $1bl in rev for 2020, $1.5bl rev 2021, and $2bl-$2.1 for 2022. I figured high confidence in profitable growth durability & thus was willing to buy the richest name on fwd EV/sales.
2)
This was despite having spent previous six months shorting names like $pd, $work, $dbx, $evbg etc. Bulletproof $ZM narrative w actual profitable growth felt like better risk/reward for 50% or so upside than bottom fishing multiple wise.
3)
Now if $zm never got the insane Covid bump it did and was just another SaaS winner chugging along its growth curve today I imagine it would be trading at 30x-45x 2022 rev estimates. That would put it at between $60-$90bl EV which is more than its worth today.
4)
This is despite the fact the biz is currently more than 2x the size of my 2021 forecast. And btw the market is not wrong in its thinking as visibility on the growth arc has quickly deteriorated. This is a reminder that growth investors are perpetually renting 1yr growth fwd.
5)
Now imagine a software world where a high degree of confidence in 40-50% cagr over next 3-4 years with solid margins translates into a 20x 1yr fwd sales ceiling. How is your margin of safety as a growth renter today? That's the issue in SaaS right now.

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