Grevenberg has proposed that advantage carried by transwomen into female categories of sport might be corrected by means of ‘staggered starts’. Taking a broad view, we’ll assume this means some kind of handicap applied to transwomen.
Usain Bolt’s 100m WR average speed was 10.44 metres per second. FloJo’s was 9.53 metres per second.
We could, on these stats, create a dead heat between the two by starting Bolt 109.52m from the finish (FloJo at 100m) or starting him 0.91 seconds later than FloJo.
They cross the line at the same time.
Bolt is faster. He’s either covered a greater distance in the same time, or the same distance in a lower time.
What’s the point of a race? To find the fastest runner.
What’s the point of engineering a dead heat? That’s exhibition stuff.
A famous exhibition match featuring a ‘staggered start’ was the Battle of The Sexes between Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs (tennis, 1973).
In this case, the ‘staggered start’, the handicap applied, was age. Riggs was 26 years older and 26 years past being world number 1.
While King was younger, fit and one of the best females in the world.
The ‘staggered start’ of age was, among others, a handicap carried by Laurel Hubbard in Tokyo weightlifting. Track Hubbard’s lifts ‘back in time’ (to ‘remove’ the handicap) and Hubbard would take the WR.
Other ‘staggered starts’, of a kind, are evident in throwing events.
The male-female performance gap in shot put is a mere 3.3%. In discus, the female WR is 3.7% longer than the male.
We know why that is. Males are ‘handicapped’ by chucking heavier weighted implements.
If you account for implement weight, males would throw further (assuming no bio mechanical impedance).
I’ve calculated this for shot put because the physics is easier and there are exhibition events to guide, and males would throw 21% further with the female shot.
So the male-female performance gap in shot put is masked by the male handicap. Corrected for weight, it’s 25%.
I touched on this with Ross in his recent Space with me. Using a scoring system (in the case of shot put, distance putted, but in our chat, scoring in archery)…
…to calculate performance gap in projectile events, then making assumptions about event-specific strength differentials etc is flawed *if you do not account for the potential correction in score of male handicap with heavier projectiles/equipment*
With shot put in mind, I’m going to make a bold suggestion.
Mixed sex. Different shot weights.
Not personalised shot weight to, in theory, give the same distance. I don’t mean that.
But given that we’ve achieved a pair of shot weights that broadly deliver the same distance (and could be brought closer by tinkering with the weight), I’d like to hear arguments against?
<slight devil’s advocate here>
But back to ‘staggered starts’. As a concept (taking a broad definition), it’s not novel.
But is it better than categories? Categories *are* staggered starts. Why would you have four males starting at 109m and four females starting at 100m?
Staggered starts are taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do tricky things.
But will it be a better system? I don’t think so.
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We *have* been using toilets and so forth with transwomen for decades. Maybe some we clock, and no idea how many we don't (because we don't).
It was a social contract - a compromise - for a *specific demographic* who were either completely undetectable as male, or for whom we rarely encountered but for whom we, presumably understanding male violence, shared refuge.
This is a 200 yard freestyle analysis of Lia Thomas, a transgender woman and US college swimmer. Lia began transition last (Covid-cancelled) season, having competed in male competition for the three previous years.
Pre-transition, Lia's PB was 0.21s off the NCAA female record for the 200 yard free, set in 2015 by 5 time Olympic gold medalist Missy Franklin.
Lia's most recent time is -4.2% slower than the pre-transition PB.
Lia's winning margin in the race was +5.6%. The times for the remainder of the field clustered within 5.5% of eachother.
That is, Lia was (very) slightly further ahead of Bridget O'Leary in P2 than O'Leary was to the slowest finisher.
In February 2020, Dr Colin Wright @swipewright (evolutionary biologist) and I (developmental biologist) wrote an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal, called The Dangerous Denial Of Sex.
@RichardDawkins@SwipeWright In it, we discuss the biological basis of sex, and how attempts to deconstruct the material reality of sex (social construct! spectrum!) present potential harms for women's rights, for gay rights and for dysphoric children.
For this op-ed, we were vilified.
@RichardDawkins@SwipeWright Since then, following the treatment of writer Suzanne Moore @suzanne_moore after she raised questions about sex and gender, we, with Dr Pam Thompson @egipam and Prof Dave Curtis @davecurtis314 argued for a rethink of discourse on sex, particularly in scientific publications.
Let’s imagine a battlefield RPG. Each player is randomly allocated a character. Each character is described by a set of metrics - SIZE, SPEED, STRENGTH, STAMINA, SKILL – from 0-10 points.
At BASELINE, all characters have broadly similar metrics, around 5 points for each.
One character may score a point higher on SIZE and a point lower on SKILL. Another scores a point higher on STAMINA but sacrifices a STRENGTH point. And so forth.
How does this look on the battlefield?
There’s not much overall difference between players right now. It’s pretty much luck who wins any given fight, and we'd expect a broad share of victories across players over multiple battles.
1. Males are, as a class, better athletes than females. 2. Males have, as a class, higher testosterone (T) levels than females. 3. T has well-researched effects on sports relevant physiology. 4. The effects of T on sports relevant physiology happens during male puberty.
So what on earth can he possibly mean when he says that performance is not proportional to natural T level? More, that is it *obviously* not and anyway who thinks otherwise must be stupid or something.