Evermore is a love rectangle between Dorothea, Este, the guy in ivy, and the husband cheated on in the same song. A THREAD :
First, let's establish that the order of the songs in the album isn't how i'm gonna tell the story, so i'm gonna change it.
1. Willow.
It's from a girl's perspective, expressing how much she loves "her man". The girl in question is Dorothea, and the guy is the one she cheated on her husband with in "Ivy", which i'm gonna talk about later. I'm gonna call this guy Ivy.
It's from a girl's perspective, expressing how much she loves "her man". The girl in question is Dorothea, and the guy is the one she cheated on her husband with in "Ivy", which i'm gonna talk about later. I'm gonna call this guy Ivy.
2. Gold Rush.
This song is from Este's point of vue. She's in love with Ivy and always was. But she knows that he's out of her league. Plus, Ivy is with Dorothea so she can never have him.
This song is from Este's point of vue. She's in love with Ivy and always was. But she knows that he's out of her league. Plus, Ivy is with Dorothea so she can never have him.
3. Champagne Problems.
Ivy proposes to Dorothea but she rejects him. Why? Because she wants to pursue a career in LA and not be tied down just yet. Ivy knew she was leaving, so the proposal was his last chance of making her stay. It didn't work out...
Ivy proposes to Dorothea but she rejects him. Why? Because she wants to pursue a career in LA and not be tied down just yet. Ivy knew she was leaving, so the proposal was his last chance of making her stay. It didn't work out...
4. Evermore.
It's from the point of vue of Ivy. We can see that it's right after "Champagne Problems" cause it's December in this song, and in "champagne problems" it was November (November flushes) Ivy was "down since July" cause he knew that Dorothea was leaving since then 1/2
It's from the point of vue of Ivy. We can see that it's right after "Champagne Problems" cause it's December in this song, and in "champagne problems" it was November (November flushes) Ivy was "down since July" cause he knew that Dorothea was leaving since then 1/2
2/2 And he tried to make her stay desperately for months but couldn't. She eventually broke up with him. At the end he admits that he'll eventually move on because the pain wouldn't be for evermore.
5. Closure.
After the sadness, comes the spite and pride. Dorothea's been sending letters to check up on Ivy but he never answers, he's trying to move on and doesn't need her closure. He already got his after she broke up with him.
After the sadness, comes the spite and pride. Dorothea's been sending letters to check up on Ivy but he never answers, he's trying to move on and doesn't need her closure. He already got his after she broke up with him.
6. Dorothea.
After a certain time, Dorothea got famous in LA and Ivy's pain went away. He still misses her and loves her but he only has good wishes for her now. If she ever comes back to their hometown, he'll be there for her, as her friend at least.
After a certain time, Dorothea got famous in LA and Ivy's pain went away. He still misses her and loves her but he only has good wishes for her now. If she ever comes back to their hometown, he'll be there for her, as her friend at least.
7. Happiness.
Here it's from the perspective of Dorothea. It breaks her heart to have left Ivy but she wanna find the new her, the famous, successful, independant woman, even if she struggles with that right now. And she knows that they'll eventually both move on.
Here it's from the perspective of Dorothea. It breaks her heart to have left Ivy but she wanna find the new her, the famous, successful, independant woman, even if she struggles with that right now. And she knows that they'll eventually both move on.
8. Tolerate it.
Here is where it gets kinda dark. Ivy married Este eventually, just because she's rich. He doesn't love her, even if he acted like he did at first. Once they got married he stopped "wrapping her mistakes in barbed wire" etc... He just tolerates her. 1/2
Here is where it gets kinda dark. Ivy married Este eventually, just because she's rich. He doesn't love her, even if he acted like he did at first. Once they got married he stopped "wrapping her mistakes in barbed wire" etc... He just tolerates her. 1/2
2/2 The song is clearly from Este's perspective. She always loved him, ever since he was with Dorothea but he never did and never will. He'll only ever love Dorothea.
9. Tis the damn season.
Dorothea comes back from LA and she's not sure if Ivy will be here to great her, or if he's moved on and wants nothing to do with her. She eventually knows she'll go back to LA but she wants to see him before she does.
Dorothea comes back from LA and she's not sure if Ivy will be here to great her, or if he's moved on and wants nothing to do with her. She eventually knows she'll go back to LA but she wants to see him before she does.
10. Cowboy Like Me.
Dorothea got married in LA to a rich man too. So we can say that both her and Ivy are con artist who married rich people just for their money. It's still delicate between them tho, Dorothea doesn't know if she can express her love to him after what she did.
Dorothea got married in LA to a rich man too. So we can say that both her and Ivy are con artist who married rich people just for their money. It's still delicate between them tho, Dorothea doesn't know if she can express her love to him after what she did.
11. Ivy.
Eventually they get back together and both cheat on their spouses. Ivy went to Dorothea's house and their affair starts.
Eventually they get back together and both cheat on their spouses. Ivy went to Dorothea's house and their affair starts.
12. Long Story Short.
Dorothea breaks up with her husband and divorces because "he was the wrong guy" and now she's with Ivy who has yet to break up with Este. But they're both enjoying their romance for now.
Dorothea breaks up with her husband and divorces because "he was the wrong guy" and now she's with Ivy who has yet to break up with Este. But they're both enjoying their romance for now.
13. It's time to go.
Dorothea's perspective when she broke up with her husband. She couldn't get the job she wanted in LA because "the son of the boss got the spot that was yours" plus, she's done "trying to stay for the kids" so she decided to run with Ivy, it was time to go.
Dorothea's perspective when she broke up with her husband. She couldn't get the job she wanted in LA because "the son of the boss got the spot that was yours" plus, she's done "trying to stay for the kids" so she decided to run with Ivy, it was time to go.
14. Right Where You Left Me.
Ivy decides to break up with Este but he didn't give her the reason yet. She's the girl that's still at the restaurant, right where he left her.
Ivy decides to break up with Este but he didn't give her the reason yet. She's the girl that's still at the restaurant, right where he left her.
15. Marjorie.
Este's remembering the advice of her late grandmother. She's confused and doesn't know what to do. She doesn't know if she just has to be kind and forget the whole thing or do the clever thing and confront Ivy.
Este's remembering the advice of her late grandmother. She's confused and doesn't know what to do. She doesn't know if she just has to be kind and forget the whole thing or do the clever thing and confront Ivy.
16. No body, No crime.
It doesn't need much explanation. It happened exactly how it's told. Ivy kills Este after she confronts it, the narrator kills Ivy to avenge Este, and the police put it all on Dorothea because she took out the big life insurance policy.
It doesn't need much explanation. It happened exactly how it's told. Ivy kills Este after she confronts it, the narrator kills Ivy to avenge Este, and the police put it all on Dorothea because she took out the big life insurance policy.
17. Coney Island.
Dorothea finally got out of prison and sat on coney island wondering where her baby Ivy went, where did things go wrong, how could they do things differently. If she made him her centerfold from the start, nothing of all that would've happened.
Dorothea finally got out of prison and sat on coney island wondering where her baby Ivy went, where did things go wrong, how could they do things differently. If she made him her centerfold from the start, nothing of all that would've happened.
End of thread🥰
Okay i just need to say this :
1- I'm not saying it is how Taylor intended the storyline to be, it's just a way of seeing the album
2- I know y'all consider Ivy to be a gay song, and i'm on board, but it's just ANOTHER way to see the song so it fits my storytelling.
Thank you🥰
1- I'm not saying it is how Taylor intended the storyline to be, it's just a way of seeing the album
2- I know y'all consider Ivy to be a gay song, and i'm on board, but it's just ANOTHER way to see the song so it fits my storytelling.
Thank you🥰
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