Thread by @Nullsci1

Just some comments on the recent debate between @XanderhalTV , @IamSean90 , @NuanceBro , and some other guy on systemic racism. While I applaud Sean and Nuance, idk why Xanderhal and the other dude are talking about a topic they really don't know about

Xanderhal and Sean debated on if stop-and-frisk worked, with Sean saying yes and Xanderhal saying no, obviously, and that it was racist.

Data has shown stop-and-frisk to not be racially biased once further controls are adjusted for:

ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2019/08/18/rac…

Heather Mac Donald has also discussed this issue in length in multiple places. Not only was it not racially biased, but it also led to a drop in crime in New York.

dailywire.com/news/5-things-…

Xanderhal and the other dude then bring up the most popular lefty argument: Black drivers are more likely to be stopped than white drivers.

This is true, but this is because of racial differences in driving behavior, even under the veil of darkness model

vinumdiaboli.wordpress.com/2021/10/12/on-…

Then they go into *why* blacks commit more crime. Xanderheral asks the question why they commit more crime, says he doesn't know why, then says "its because of poverty"

Luckily, we have studies to see if there is a causal correlation on the issue! tl;dr: No.

After family variables were adjusted for, this 2018 study done in Sweden (n=500k +) found poverty to not be causally associated with crime

cambridge.org/core/journals/…

The same was found in a 2021 study using a sibling analysis, which also found poverty to not be causally associated with poor psychological outcomes

academic.oup.com/ije/article/50…

Ofc, the top studies were done in Sweden, but even in the U.S., the b-w male crime gap does not close once poverty is held constant

equality-of-opportunity.org/assets/documen…

link.springer.com/article/10.100…

After some back-and-forth on poverty and crime, Xanderhal says inequality can play a role in the high black crime. This *sounds* true, and studies have found an effect, but once publication bias is controlled for, inequality is not associated with crime

ecineq.org/ecineq_paris19…

Sean and Nuance are then asked why they think the black crime rate is high, and ofc, some of these explanations are the classic conservative arguments. Sean says one variable is single-motherhood, but single-motherhood is not causally associated with crime...

Bad parents are more likely to leave their kids and pass on these bad traits. Kids with bad parents would turn out bad regardless and would be better off WITHOUT the bad parent in their life

vinumdiaboli.wordpress.com/2021/07/31/sin…

After more back-and-forth on driving stops, they finally move onto racial bias in police shootings. The quick kill to this is that adjusting for crime shows an anti-white bias in police shootings/ killings, not an anti-black one

vinumdiaboli.wordpress.com/2021/09/01/on-…

Xanderhal's teammate focuses a lot on "unarmed" shootings as evidence of racial bias in shootings. As Sean correctly points out, "unarmed" is misleading as the person could have lost their weapon while in the altercation. Misleading title

econpapers.repec.org/article/eeejcj…

After this, the debate just moves onto a Q&A which I don't consider important.

If you've seen one bread-tube debate on systemic racism, you've seen them all (including this one). Sean and Nuance did fine, Xanderhal and his teammate didn't seem to know the issue, though