(1) It is circular, in order to show the Roman Catholic magisterium to have the authority to set the canon the RC must first appeal to Christ's promises of infallibility to the church (Matt. 16, etc.) which presupposes a knowledge of the canon.
Thus making the church superfluous. (2) It's self-defeating, if the RC is correct that the Protestant is not justified in believing the canon of Scripture as they arrived at it through fallible means then, in the same way, the RC is not justified in trusting their magisterium,
as they chose their church through their own fallible, human reasoning. Cartesian certainty in matters of religious authority is impossible to have and searching for it is futile. (3) These epistemology games are modern innovations which run contrary to the view of Scripture held
by the Church Fathers, I'll use St. Chrysostom as one example. He clearly believes that, prior to choosing a church, one can: (a) know the canon of Scripture, (b) read and understand the Scriptures, and (c) use this knowledge to discern which church is true.
How does one discern the canon?
We discern the canon using both internal and external witnesses, the external are: the majesty of the doctrine, the divinity of the style, the antiquity of the books, fulfilled prophecy, confirmation by miracles and the testimony of the martyrs.
However, all these proofs are merely probabilistic and need be confirmed by the internal witness of the Holy Spirit within our hearts which convinces us of Scriptures inspiration.
Objection: “If Scripture is self-attesting, why did Luther doubt the inspiration of James? why do we affirm the Deuterocanon?”
Answer: Firstly, the vast majority of Protestants have (and always have) accepted the same canon, with this being a rare exception.
Secondly, disagreement on one point of doctrine or book of Scripture does not mean that one party lacks the Spirit. Because there is not precisely the same equal measure of the Holy Spirit in all; otherwise there would be the fullest agreement in all points.
Thirdly, as Turretin says: “As heaven is sprinkled with greater and lesser stars, so the Scriptures are not everywhere equally resplendent, but are distinguished by clearer and obscurer places, as by stars of a greater or lesser magnitude.” Mistakes can be made by Christians.
Finally, Romanist acceptance of the Deuterocanon does not serve as a defeater for the Spirit's witness to the Scriptures as Rome has anathematized the Gospel: Romanists are not Christians and hence do not have the Spirit.
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The Scriptures were given to the Jews (Rom. 3:2) and the Jews rejected the apocrypha as is attested by Josephus and Philo. Neither Christ, nor any Apostle, ever rebuked the Jews for what would have been the greatest of sins,
i.e. tearing apart the canon of Scripture, had such books had been inspired. And as St. Jerome says: “We must have recourse to the Hebrews, from whose text both the Lord speaks, and his disciples choose their examples.”
The early church confirms the Jewish canon, as the council of Laodicea, St. Melito, St. Jerome, St. Athanasius, St. Cyril, and Ruffinus all attest.
Firstly, what is the Protestant view of the Spirit's preservation of the church and how does it differ from the Socinians? I will refer you to Father Ockham the Wise of England who taught that even a single baptized infant keeping the faith is enough to satisfy Matt. 28:20.
The catholic church is the body of Christ, invisible, and composed of all true believers. This can NOT cease to exist, as the Socinians believed, as this would nullify the promises of Christ to his church. God always preserves his people, even in cases of widespread idolatry.
This doesn't need to be proven from history, we need not hunt for a remnant who didn't worship wood (though we can). All the Protestant needs to show is (a) Protestantism is true, from Scripture, and (b) God promised his church would never die. Then we KNOW there was a remnant.
“Your wickedness makes you as it were heavy as lead, and to tend downwards with great weight and pressure towards hell; and if God should let you go, you would immediately sink and swiftly descend and plunge into the bottomless gulf, and your healthy constitution, and your own
care and prudence, and best contrivance, and all your righteousness, would have no more influence to uphold you and keep you out of hell, than a spider’s web would have to stop a falling rock. Were it not for the sovereign pleasure of God, the earth would not bear you one moment;
for you are a burden to it; the creation groans with you; the creature is made subject to the bondage of your corruption, not willingly; the sun does not willingly shine upon you to give you light to serve sin and Satan; the earth does not willingly yield her increase to satisfy
“The punishment of the non-elect was not the ultimate end of their creation, but the glory of God. It is frequently objected to us that, according to our view of predestination, ‘God makes some persons on purpose to damn them,’ but this we never advanced; nay, we utterly reject
it as equally unworthy of God to do and of a rational being to suppose. The grand, principal end, proposed by God in His formation of all things, and of mankind in particular, was the manifestation and display of His own glorious attributes. His ultimate scope in the creation
of the elect is to evidence and make known by their salvation the unsearchable riches of His power and wisdom, mercy and level and the creation of the non-elect is for the display of His justice, power, sovereignty, holiness and truth. So that nothing can be more certain than