Not surprised that FDA rejected the inactivated vaccine Covaxin (produced by Bharat, marketed by Ocugen) for 2-18yo. Bharat-Ocugen presented data that their vaccine produced higher antibody levels than adults, and applied for EUA based on that:
ir.ocugen.com/news-releases/…
The data were only collected in late 2021. Impressive Ocugen was able to complete a EUA application so quickly, but they apparently did so without feedback from FDA as to the sufficiency of the data (or ignored such feedback). Data are below
medrxiv.org/content/10.110…
The problem is that among 2-5yo, whom we don't have a vaccine for, we don't know the relationship between antibody titers and VE in terms of protection from infection or symptomatic cases, at least not publicly. The only people measuring those outcomes are Pfizer and Moderna.
And as we know, Pfizer's vaccine for 2-5yo has insufficient VE for approval after 2 doses (presumably VE <50), so we don't have data on what Ab levels correlate with VE >50.
The problem isn't that antibodies in kids would act differently than in adults (likely they would do similar things at similar concentrations), but that kids might have a higher baseline for clearance without vaccination to begin with.
The effect of having those antibodies ahead of time may be marginal on top of what the children's bodies are doing already. It won't hurt, but FDA requires knowledge of what the VE is, not just anything >0%.
I'm guessing (someone can check) that Pfizer chose their 3mg dose because the levels of elicited Abs were similar to vaxxed adults. Bharat says children's Abs are 1.6x of adults. But that would still not be as high as Pfizer or Moderna in adults which are 3-6x higher than Covaxin
Actually I checked myself. You can see Pfizer's 3ug dose chosen for 2-5yo produced more nAbs than the approved dose for 16-25yo, which we know had VE>50% pre-Omicron. But this 3ug was not sufficient in kids (although not clear if FDA is using Omicron cases now to judge)
Regardless, if Pfizer's vax for 2-5yo makes similar nAbs as their approved vax for 16-25yo, but has insufficient VE, then Covaxin making even fewer nAbs is not likely to have sufficient VE either.
Now you'd think Ocugen could so such calculations themselves. I don't know if they had data to the contrary or decided to submit an application even if they expected rejection.

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Mar 3
Not a big fan of test-to-treat. It just codifies what HCWs should do anyway. Plus it gives in to expensive pills and gives up on the more efficacious vaccines.

Disappointing when 35% = 115M are still not fully vaxxed.

usafacts.org/visualizations… Image
Since certain internet trolls like to ask me about COIs when I talk about pills, I'm developing protease inhibitors that function similarly to Paxlovid, the drug Biden mentioned (and we had ours first, so we're not copying Pfizer). But I tend to call things as I see it.
Vaccination prevents hospitalizations by ~90%, the same as Paxlovid, and you can carry that benefit with you 24/7; you don't need to run to get tested with every sniffle.
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Started tweeting to discuss protein engineering and biosensor development. Interrupted by COVID, an unexpected societal threat that called upon scientists to address. COVID tweets now interrupted by an even more urgent threat, one that we all must learn about and assess.
There's a role for everyone in educating themselves using knowledgeable sources, people with a track record of honesty and accuracy, and rejecting the biased or bought ones. Then we can move forward as a society to support the right policies. Equally true for Ukraine and COVID19.
Unfortunately it looks like both issues are going to be with us for a while, so I'll have to continue tweeting about COVID19. It means no disrespect to Ukraine even though Ukraine is the more immediate and tragic issue.
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Okay then.

Russia wants to make Ukraine a satellite state, but will end up as China's satellite. China, with 10x the popn in 1/2 the area, will happily be sole buyer for Russia's natural resources.

Hope Russia enjoys being strapped into the aptly named Silk Road Economic Belt
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Feb 28
What do Putin and Frodo from the Lord of the Rings have in common?

An essay by Vladimir Sorokin putting events into Russian historical (and literary) perspective.

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Sorokin sees being leader of Russia as a position that, since Ivan the Terrible, has had an indefatigable power to corrupt. He traces it to Ivan installing a tyrannical system to rule the vastness of Russia. Image
Since Ivan, being leader of Russia has had an indefatigable power to corrupt, like the Ring of Power in the Lord of the Rings.

Sorokin mentions that Putin seemed sensible at the beginning, even saying "I have no intention of holding onto this chair". Image
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The oddest thing about Putin's invasion is that it would have been easier to pay off some military officer to stage a coup (maybe made easier by abducting Zelensky first), implement martial law, and hold sham elections with only Putin-approved candidates. So why didn't it happen?
Meaning military coup plus sham elections is the tried-and-true method for rapid regime change without having your own soldiers killed, which is always bad press.
Plus Ukraine has a large Russian population, and it was supposed to be full of corruption. And Zelensky was walking around in public. So you'd have thought it would be easy for the KGB I mean FSB to disappear him, and organize a pro-Russian military junta to take over.
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Finally, Sanofi and GSK announce their results. VE = 58%. Patient dosing and followup occurred during Delta and Omicron, so that seems fairly good, as best as we can resolve with the statistics (resolution not great, confidence interval 27-77%)

sanofi.com/en/media-room/…
You'll hear 2 more numbers in the press, but these aren't real statistics: 75% protection against moderate-severe disease and 100% protection against hospitalization. Again, not real stats, no CIs, due to low numbers, e.g. 0 vs 4! You might call those figures "anecdotal"
Some people never learn though. You might have thought by now the @NYTimes would train their headline writers to not repeat just the most optimistic unsupported take from the manufacturers. Speaking of COI... why do we let the entity who will directly profit write the headlines?
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