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Apr 12, 2022 17 tweets 8 min read Read on X
1/ As the team starts discussing patient #16 on the list during rounds, you look around & notice:

Learner 1: *👀 at their phone*
Learner 2: *🥱, almost 🛌*
Learner 3: *🥺 pleading for rounds to end*

How can you keep everyone engaged?!

If this feels familiar, check out this 🧵! Image
2/ This week, we are continuing our discussion about opportunities for inpatient teaching during rounds with a focus on how to keep learners engaged.

Although these tips are primarily for rounds that do NOT occur at the bedside, many of the same principles apply. Image
3/ For tips on how to engage all learners at the bedside, check out this recent thread from @YihanYangMD on engaging all learners at the bedside with physical exam teaching:

4/ As I mentioned previously, I often start with teaching BEFORE rounds.



Then, once rounds begin, everyone is already turned away from their computers, involved in the discussion, and primed to learn.
5/ Now that I have the team's attention, it's important for me to maintain it during rounds by involving EVERYONE in the discussion of ALL patients, not just their own.

At the beginning of the month, I set this expectation. Because sometimes other team members have great ideas!
6/ So let's talk about opportunities to involve other team members during patient presentations.

None of this is ground-breaking. You probably ask these questions already!

BUT...I want us to think about how we can use these questions to engage other members of the team. Image
7/ So after a team member finishes presenting portions of the history, I ask other team members to weigh in:

What else do they want to know?
What do they think is going on?

This promotes other team members' active listening! Image
8/ I may ask other team members to REQUEST portions of the exam or PREDICT what they would see based on their current hypotheses.

This teaches the team to use the exam as a diagnostic tool (and could be done at the bedside too!). Image
9/ Instead of the presenter list all of the labs, I ask other team members what tests they want & why. THEN the presenter shares in any other unexpected labs.

Or sometimes I have other team members read the patient's EKG/imaging/PFTs, then the presenter share the official read. Image
10/ @gradydoctor once told me her trick of having a different team member summarize the relevant data into the problem representation. (sgim.org/web-only/clini…)

Again, brilliant! This requires everyone to listen and helps teach clinical reasoning skills during the case. Image
11/ I always allow the presenter to provide their ddx; however, when we have a true diagnostic mystery, I ask everyone to add additional thoughts.

This works great on our HIV service when I'm trying to teach residents a structured approach to HIV syndromes. Image
12/ Then I do the same thing for the plan.

The presenter gets the first run at the plan, but other team members have the opportunity to add their thoughts on the diagnostic plan. Image
13/ And finally, when discussing treatment, I love to have team members debate treatment options, ESPECIALLY when selecting antibiotics.

Often, there's not ONE correct answer, so everyone has different thoughts!

Even better: have them write it on a notecard, then share & debate Image
14/ The key to making this effective is to ensure that the presenter knows that THEY ARE IN CHARGE of the decision-making.

You don't want team members one-upping each other; rather, create a spirit of team discussion while allowing the presenter to make the final decision.
15/ And if you're looking for tips on engaging multi-level learners, then review this tweetorial.



When asking the group questions, use either:
1⃣ open-ended questions with potential multiple answers
2⃣questions targeted to a specific learner level Image
16/ So, in summary, consider how you can ask the TEAM to engage during each presentation.
Don't just ask these questions to the presenter.

Asking other members of the team engages them as active listeners and makes patient care a true team experience. Image
17/ Join us next week for #TweetorialTuesday when @GStetsonMD will discuss how to drop teaching pearls on rounds.

And don't forget to follow @YihanYangMD, @ChrisDJacksonMD, & the @MedEdTwagTeam so that you don't miss a thread. Image

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Do you want a 4-step process for questions to ask when you get a page next year when you’re alone on nightfloat or ICU call?

Check out this framework! Image
And now, do you wanna remember who the heck to order DEXA scans for in clinic?

Thankfully Miko De Bruyn comes to the rescue. Image
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Mar 7, 2023
1/ You're seeing a new consult with your team, and you want to teach the primary team too.

But WHEN is the best time to teach them?

On the phone?
At the bedside?
In their team room?

And in the morning?
Or maybe the afternoon?

This week: Image
2/ Last week @VarunPhadke2 described all of the individuals whom we can teach during the day.



But when should we teach them?

Often we default to teaching on the phone when receiving the consult or giving recommendations, but there are other options too.
3/ This week we will discuss the pros & cons of those options.

With one caveat.

Often the best time to teach is the one most convenient to your team & the primary team, which depends on your local institution's workflow.

But let's explore some general principles to consider.
Read 15 tweets
Feb 21, 2023
1/ You're finishing your last consult of the day.

It's late.
And it's been a long day.

You intended to find the primary team to teach them, but you have a million other things on your "to do" list.

Here are 8 reasons why you should still find time to teach the primary team. Image
2/ Reason #1: They want to learn

The primary team called with a question.
They are invested in the answer.

It's all about finding out what they want to know and targeting your teaching accordingly.
3/ Reason #2: It empowers them

Often the primary team has an idea of what to do but wants reinforcement that their plan is correct.

Teach them general rules that they can re-use. Image
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Jan 31, 2023
1/ Your team just saw a patient with syphilis, and you're ready to teach, but:

Resident #1: on week 2 of their rotation
👉 Has already seen 2 patients w/ syphilis

Resident #2: started today
👉 Hasn't seen a single patient with syphilis

What should you do now? Image
2/ Unfortunately, learners on our team may miss teaching that occurs during the rotation for multiple reasons. Image
3/ As @VarunPhadke2 previously pointed out, all learners on the team are usually not present all day, every day for the entire time we are on clinical services.

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Jan 24, 2023
1/ A member of your consult team presents a patient w/ suspected neurosyphilis.

Your team:
⭐️ 3rd year medical student
⭐️ IM intern
⭐️ 2nd year IM resident
⭐️ 1st year ID fellow

How can you possibly provide valuable teaching to all of them?

This week: Multi-level teaching Image
2/ Teaching multi-level learners is hard.

Their range in baseline knowledge means a single teaching point is often not effective for everyone.

So how can you support everyone's learning without taking too long and/or boring others?
3/ A prior thread discussed the importance of clarifying learners' needs & interests at the beginning of the rotation.

This is one 🗝️ for effective multi-level teaching.

Know what materials is RELEVANT and INTERESTING for each learner level.

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Jan 10, 2023
1/ *Re-consult 📞*

You: What did the last consult note say?

Them: I don't know how to interpret it...

*reading the ✍️ yourself*
#Sepsis
- send tick serologies
- start broad-spectrum antibiotics
- we will follow up OSH data

You: 🤦 I feel you... We'll see the patient again. Image
2/ You wonder...

💭 What tick serologies were we referring to?
💭 What antibiotics were we wanting to start?
💭 And which OSH has prior records?

And you're not the only one wondering...

How can we ✍️ more effective notes?
3/ Clinical notes are used for many purposes, as previously highlighted by @YihanYangMD

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