Noticing a few of the "free speech" pronouncements from @elonmusk. I have made the point that Elon is amazing where he is amazing, & is to be honored for it.
But that does not mean he is a master of those domains, like social philosophy, where he is little more than a "user".
It is easy to toss around ideas like "Free Speech". And the ideas themselves are not necessarily wrong.
But when ones ideas are potentially actionable, as in "fixing" twitter, then they require more depth, more consistency, more clarity as to the embedded premises .
The #systemic
The #systemic principle comes into play:
"A thing (proposition for example) can be true at one level, and not true at another. And true again at yet another..."
A long way round to say, "it depends".
And what these unspoken premises of Elon are take on importance to the
public and the public square proportionate to his, or anyones, ability to influence them.
It is the reason why Trump needed to be exiled from Twitter, & other places...he was fomenting lies. And the system was not able to adequately counter them.
This is an advanced argument
that needs to be worked out in depth. In short: clearly the decisions about who, how and why someone is deplatformed need to be made more clear. Stipulated.
But as clear, it was not just the content that was being filtered, but the person. Demonstrated by the fact that most
people holding and expressing similar views were not being de-platformed. And still are not.
There are a few books that deal with "How Democracies Perish". One of the central observations is how an inimical threat to the system uses the system to destroy the system.
There have been many counters to @elonmusk's proclamations concerning FreeSpeech.
Some have asked: 'Would you allow Hitler free speech?'
Which makes my point. Levels.
So the real question is what defines these "levels" upon which the veracity of a proposition depends.
Thus the complexity.
Thus the reason why the 1st principles of society are distinct from the 1st principles of physics. As well as those of business within the established frames. (for ex. capitalism - itself a derivative framework...)
Elon is clearly a master of the physics as well as the comprehension of data, computer systems, systems in general such as manufacturing and etc.
None of that makes him an expert at governance or social issues.
IMO, he is to be honored for what is is, & not deified, or mythologized for what he is not.
Tevye, fr Fiddler on the Roof, understood the syndrome as he lamented about being rich:
"Solving problems that would cross a rabbi's eyes...
And it won't make one bit of difference if you answer right or wrong,
When your rich, they think you really know..."
We should avoid this.
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@BrianJOMalley My bottom line POV:
The Pubs, esp as currently constituted, incl now the 5 Catholic/regressive/installed SC judges, are not premised on such things as the principles of Constitution but a legalistic reading used as a tool.
The vision for what is America & what is democracy are
@BrianJOMalley 2/ not premised on such things as the Preamble to the Constitution, which sets out its purpose and vision for the structure that follows, but upon their own reified desire for power...
You'll recall Delay years ago, Bannon today (just a few ex) have stated their purpose/vision is
@BrianJOMalley 3/for complete control by "the Republican Party" for generations. It has been explicitly stated. Now, it is being systematically worked out.
It is only in moments like Trump/McConnell pushing 3 unworthy people on the court, & the current manifestation of the consequence of that
Skimming comments I get the sense he is taking on the Socratic role of asking questions but not really stating his position.
Not necessarily suitable to engagement, esp on Twitter.
What I find interesting is how
@laura__3_14@BlakeWriting 2/ his respondents reveal their assumptions/axioms by responding as if the context of the question had been established.
The obvious assumptions made:
Ref JudeoXn context, Atheist is the opposite of Xn. Provoking the axiomatic belief:if no god people would become depraved... etc.
@laura__3_14@BlakeWriting 3/ Of particular interest, again re the responses, is how the word/notion "god" (implied as opposite atheism) creates instant polarity.
The "fight" in this thread, more broadly in our society, is over the unspoken religious axioms of the tribal divides.
We fail to engage
20yrs.
I remember reading about the Gulag & the 58's and 25yr prison terms & thinking how perverted & corrupt a society was that would impose such penalties.
Now finding the USA is replete with 20+ yr penalties.
This is indicative not of justice, or of a healthy society, but the free-fall descent into a pernicious authoritarian society.
It is the blanket simplicity of the mindset, the boorish refusal to entertain nuance or complexity reducing it to a childish binary proposition.
The Gilead reference is intentional. States that do not serve the citizens, who instead feed on them, needing them to stay put & do only as they are told,cannot allow free movement to other locales
The next move is to deny women access even to other states politico.com/news/2022/03/1…
@elonmusk Continues to opine in odd absolutes that are crazy.
I like Musk, but for where he’s an expert.
These amateurish forays into matters outside his expertise is like watching a first grader draw the house.
This is so obviously wrong it’s curious why he said it.
What it means to be “technically excellent” at the level of management, design, project management, versus excellent coding is immense.
It would be like requiring the designer & project manager of Hoover dam being an excellent shovel operator.
The difference between understanding & doing is immense, & relevant to the proposition.
These two very different functions are collapsed to the same level, making distinctions, therefore progress, difficult. Perhaps impossible.
It is not just wrong
& it is not just the epitome of historical ignorance,
& a comprehensive misunderstanding of the relationship of religious and civil society,
This is the declaration of a much deeper intention of instantiating an "American Fundamentalism".
Think "Gilead".
This is the low information ranting of fundamentalists who lay out the emotional, fact & history free, case for what is essentially an American Taliban.
There is no "compromise" or a sense of comity between differences. When you have "the truth" it is a violation to "compromise".
Others, like "The Grand Inquisitor" use the froth and confusion--and subsequent absolutist certainty of their "righteousness" generated by such as this. (and thus justification for killing/harming anyone who disagrees..In the name of God, of course)
@JoyceWhiteVance@RaviaRaven It sure seems like there is something else driving this investigation. Having lived through the debacle of the Mueller report, how is it any different? & how should our expectations be set?
Noting that report w all its detail has been sidelined.
Is it not apparent that to let
@JoyceWhiteVance@RaviaRaven 2/ this level of open, egregious, direct assault on the foundational pillars of our constitutional system without a challenge and strong legal response is to loosen the bolts on these pillars?
Bannon, for ex, is left free to continue propagating his anarchy wo consequence for his
@JoyceWhiteVance@RaviaRaven 3/ lawlessness. His direct refusal to participate in the structure & function of investigation is left effectively unchallenged.
It’s almost as if we don’t know how to deal contend with this level of obdurate resistance.
There’s no way to end this thread that really is an essay