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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon And, pray fucking tell, WHERE are you going to get the trillions of dollars US to pull this off, to do the largest evacuation in human history, where literally all our transportation infrastructure *does not have the capacity for*?

No, seriously. I want to hear this :D

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon I wanna hear this shit, as an aside, because...there isn't a friggin' Money Fairy you can call on for funding for your Grand Partition scheme (hell, we're lucky we can get funding RIGHT NOW for government initiatives).

And no, you can't wait until secession. Too late then.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon You can't wait until secession, because once secession happens *that's literally when the killings will start*, and that's when they start denationalizing anyone who ISN'T a Christian Nationalist, so...you're gonna have to arrange this WHILE the chuds are in Congress

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Oh: The group that receives the largest funding in the US by government expenditure is the US military (and one of the few groups that COULD move 9000+ people at once in a single transport operation). $778 billion.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon The whole of the United States budget for 2021 was USD $6.82 trillion, and that literally includes every department.

Even if you somehow managed to nationalize Amazon, Microsoft AND Elon Musk's holdings...

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon you are going to have a massive budgetary shortfall just from the sheer amount of national mobilization that will be required to do your Velvet Divorce, and that's also assuming that Texas and the rest of the Confederacy don't fight to keep every business and asset...

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon potentially including *MILITARY* assets, as an aside.

And no, in a true Velvet Divorce situation, you can't have Texas join in a Compact of Free Association either like the FSM

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon You are (if you want to actually get the majority of people safely moved out of harm's way when you let Texas go full fash) going to have to actually spend more money than the US did with the Marshall Plan.

We actually had multiple loan programs in the US to pay for WW II,

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon and a *far* higher tax rate and maximum taxation rank (and far fewer deductions) than exist nowadays.

Good fucking luck getting actual approval in Congress unless you manage to turn most of Congress blue (in which case, you can do something about the fash issue)

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon So.

To safely move everyone who needs/wants to get out of Texas before it goes full fascist, you need to do this *before Texas is actually allowed to secede* (better hope they don't do a unilateral declaration of independence, then).

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Because--and this is to answer something you have not quite grasped yet:

No, Texas would *NOT* allow "liberals" and LGBTQIA people and others it sees as opponents of the regime to leave.

Nor would the rest of the Confederacy if they joined Texas.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Again: You are *not* talking about a normal partition or a Velvet Divorce.

You are talking about a violent, fascist, *religio-fascist* state, which believes (and I know this is REALLY hard for you to grasp) that all opponents must be converted OR KILLED.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon This is why I never came out to my folks, who remained in the Christian Nationalist cult even as I left, and why I've never come out to relatives even after my parents died.

I knew that my life would LITERALLY be in danger if I ever came out to my folks.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Hell, I had to start carrying a bugout bag at the age of 16 and prepare myself for the real possibility I'd end up homeless *based on simply telling my folks that a televangelist they were listening to was pushing anti-Semitic tropes and garbage*.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon People who have never been part of a cult, people who have never been raised in a coercive religious group and got out, people who never grew up in a violent religio-nationalist state (like Da'esh's self-proclaimed state in Syria and Iraq) have no idea...

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon no actual honest-to-god idea how extreme these groups actually ARE in practice.

Here's what some folks linked with the group I walked away from--and which now controls the Texas GOP--do to LGBTQIA people: dailykos.com/stories/2007/1…

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon This is what they do to their own kids, including beating them to death, and "homeschooling" to both indoctrinate and hide signs:

dailykos.com/stories/2007/8…
dailykos.com/stories/2007/8…
dailykos.com/stories/2007/8…

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon This is what was pretty much where kids got sent--and adults--as early as Dubya's admin and far before that, with your tax dollars, even:

dailykos.com/stories/2007/8…
dailykos.com/stories/2008/4…
dailykos.com/stories/2008/4…
dailykos.com/stories/2008/4…
dailykos.com/stories/2008/4…

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon And more on that:

dailykos.com/stories/2008/4…
dailykos.com/stories/2008/5…
dailykos.com/stories/2008/5…
dailykos.com/stories/2008/5…
dailykos.com/stories/2008/5…

Here's what my former church tends to do to just *ALLIES*, much less LGBTQIA people:

dailykos.com/stories/2006/1…
dailykos.com/stories/2007/1…

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon And there is no way in hell they will just stop at Texas, or the Confederacy. J6 should have proven that to everyone, as well as those "Freedom Convoy" QAnonsense protests, but...well, looks like I get to point out they said they were gonna for a LONG time

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Here's one of Sarah Palin's buddies from Uganda laying out the plan:

dailykos.com/stories/2008/1…
dailykos.com/stories/2008/1…

Here's how NAR Christian Nationalists have outright used a Christian Identity "racial holy war" novel for their own calls: dailykos.com/stories/2008/5…

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Here's how good ol' friendly Rick Warren (of Saddleback Church in TX, the one that has to use a whole-ass stadium and wouldn't let people evacuate into) actually uses "people's revolutionary cells" and the Hitlerjugend as positive models

dailykos.com/stories/2009/1…

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Here's a whole long-ass thread (which is worth it, I promise) re how Christian Nationalists have cozied up to Putinists since damn near the time Putin got in office:

unrollthread.com/t/146390765943…

(I am prone to praxis, but seriously, this is a teach-in, kids)

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon (tl;dr Seriously, look up the World Congress of Families and their relation to the Putin regime, and then look up some folks like Franklin Graham and Rick Joyner and the Family Research Council and the like who are DEEPLY connected with WCF.)

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon There is even a really good argument that part of how Russia WENT so hard religio-fascist is...the US, and Christian Nationalists in the US, exported US style Christian Nationalist media to Russia

unrollthread.com/t/149950670110…

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon US based Christian Nationalists exported US style Christian Nationalism to Singapore, and this led to a (thankfully successfully thwarted via counter-activism) hostile takeover of a women's NGO: web.archive.org/web/2009050705…

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon and a WHOLE LOT of how that women's NGO fought off things is they actually *listened* to #exvangelicals; I wrote a dossier for 'em that I implore EVERYONE to read as it's a good primer of what you're up against

web.archive.org/web/2012081421…

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon (And to those who may be confused re the "Joel's Army" Thing: Christian Nationalist groups, particularly in the New Apostolic Reformation, will actively rebrand about every 10-15 years when there is too much negative press about the group.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon (This segment of Christian Nationalism has been known as the Manifest Sons of God, Latter Rain movement, Kingdom Now movement, Dominion Theology movement, Third Wave movement, Joel's Army movement, and most recently the New Apostolic Reformation in its 70 years of being,

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon (and there's even been an active movement among a number of NAR churches to explicitly associate themselves with QAnonsense, branding themselves "Q*non Churches". NAR groups actually consider QAnonsense a confirmation of their own (preexisting) conspiracy theology;

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon approximately 85% of QAnonsense mythos is almost full-on appropriated from New Apostolic Reformation "Satanic Panic" narratives from the early 90s they never gave up (despite debunking of frauds such as Mike Warnke et al) and see as their core theology.)

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Oh, yeah. That's another reason they're not exactly gonna be letting The Enemies escape. These groups LITERALLY see QAnonsense as external confirmation that They Were Right All Along re Satanic Panic, and they have actively incorporated QAnonsense narratives.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon In fact, a particular NAR preacher that got his American start at the church I was raised in--one Rodney Howard-Browne, of South African origin--actually not only was very close in with Trump's inner circle, but is also one of THE major promoters of QAnonsense in NAR groups

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon And both the original "conspiracy theology" AND the addition of QAnonsense have actually triggered domestic terrorism for *decades*, including both the Army of God domestic terror network *and* QAnonsense related terror attacks...

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon and it is NOT a grand shocker in this regard that both QAnonsense promoters AND members of the Army of God domestic terror network (including a convicted clinic bomber) were part of the Great Sedition, and the TX GOP even tried to introduce a plank in its platform

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon to essentially call the Great Sedition justified (and did get the part of it passed calling the 2020 election illegitimate).

This kind of extremism, the sort that was 40 feet from *hanging the Vice President for refusing to go along with an act of sedition*,

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon THIS is what's running the Texas GOP, and the Florida GOP, and state GOP conventions in a number of other states.

They're the ones going full Radio des Milles Collines, calling LGBTQIA people and allies "groomers" and lighting the fuse of genocide.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon tw: homophobia, child abuse

I can truthfully say, having watched two kids (12 and 14) in my youth marched up in front of a *televised* crowd of 7000 and forced to confess to bathroom sex, harangued for two hours by the deacon who runs the hate group that tried to...

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon tw: homophobia

that tried to actively frame a candidate for office as a groomer seeking underage rentboys by *posting a fake want ad in a local LGBTQIA newspaper's classifieds*, who consistently tries to frame even allies as "Homosexualists" and "groomers",

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon tw: homophobia

that literally posted flyers to 60,000 households in my area (including aldermen) of leather-daddy porn claiming it was from a Pride parade with the stinger "Remember what the Homosexual priests did to the children",

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon tw: homophobia, child abuse

THAT deacon, THAT leader of the hate group--he pretty much made the kids confess in front of 7000 people and god knows how many watching...made 'em confess they'd fucked in the bathroom, preached at them for 3 hours on how....

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon tw: homophobia, child abuse

preached for 3 hours on how The Gheys were responsible for literally everything from the Holocaust to the fall of Rome to the fall of the Babylonian Empire to Sodom and how they were a Ghey Illuminati recruiting kids for Teh Evulz,

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon tw: homophobia, child abuse

and how literally every LGBTQIA person and ally was pretty much In The Service Of Satan, and then they performed a NAR "exorcism" on them (read: smear Wesson oil on the kid while holding them hand and foot and screaming at them in tongues),

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon tw: homophobia, child abuse

and then they disappeared those kids. We never saw them again; for all I know, they got sent to a "degaying" facility, or Teen Challenge, or they're dead, or maybe they were lucky enough to get out and they fight like hell like I do now.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Again: *I literally have lived* with the sorts of people who are fucking screaming "GROOMER" at anyone who is so much as an *ally* of LGBTQIA people, who LITERALLY believe a Gay Illuminati exists and they work in hand with the Satanists who supposedly run women's clinics

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon (Oh yes, they have MANY blood-libel-y stories about what goes on in women's clinics. Stories on how there's supposedly hidden temples to Moloch (and by extension, Satan) in cornerstones of Planned Parenthood offices, claims workers swear allegiance to Satan,

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon claims that aborted babies were born live and then killed, claims that aborted fetuses and "aborted baby slurry" were used in everything from facial cream to (most recently) claims they're used in most vaccines, claims clinic workers pray to Satan with every abortion, etc.)

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Like. These are LITERALLY the narratives that Christian Nationalists have been promoting, among themselves, for the better part of *fifty fucking years*.

And that's BEFORE we've gotten into the REALLY fun shit from Lanhamism! 🙃

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon tw: anti-semitism

Because, oh, yes, it gets worse.

You see: The NAR is a sister movement to Christian Identity (yes, as in the racist church that brought you the domestic terrorist group "The Order" and goes on about how Jewish people are Satan's spawn).

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Both of these groups spawn from a movement called Lanhamism in the 30s and 40s. William Lanham had...some very eccentric ideas.

One of his *really* eccentric ideas involved, uh, the specific nature of sin in the Garden of Eden.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon tw: antisemitism, mentions of...interspecies and/or Fallen Angel sex

So apparently Lanham had the unique idea that Cain and Abel (and Seth) in the Bible had different sets of parents.

Cain was apparently...the Serpent's actual bastard, via, uh....

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon tw: antisemitism, mentions of...interspecies and/or Fallen Angel sex

...well...basically Lanham postulated that after eating that fruit that Eve had *fucked* the Serpent, gotten preggo, and gave birth to Cain.

As Satan's own little bastard.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon tw: antisemitism

And basically Lanham believed all the Good People (especially white folks) were LITERAL descendants of God via Adam (apparently God making Adam made him God's kid, Jesus' either older or younger brother, whatever, still),

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon tw: antisemitism

and apparently all the Bad People (including in Lanham's eyes, Jewish folks; Lanham DID live in Indiana in the 30s, and Indiana has always had a deserved rep as being Racist AF) were literal Satanic Serpent Spawn via Cain.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon (Yes, this is the literal origin of all those QAnonsense stories about "lizard people"; it is an old Lanhamist anti-Semitic trope that predates "V", predates David Icke's guanopsychotic (and racist, and anti-Semitic) rantings.)

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon So in the late 40s, Lanhamism split--one group going really heavy with the explicitly racist, anti-Semitic tropes (which became Christian Identity), and the other...the Manifest Sons of God, which at least *hid* the blatant racism and anti-Semitism,

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon and made it out that everyone were either *spiritual* Sons of God (and through their own religious "naming and claiming" and fasting and praying and territorial marking with Wesson oil they could get their Divine Heritage back)...or spiritual sons of Satan.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Yes, when I talk about how your NAR true believers talk about how the nice friendly people at your local friendly Drag Show Storytime are the spawn of the devil...*I AM LITERALLY NOT KIDDING* when they seriously believe this.

This has Bad Implications.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon And the NAR has evolved over the years (including more than a few name changes), and pretty much the theological party line is that they have to Name and Claim the whole damn planet, or some certain critical mass of the planet, in order for Jesus to come back.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon The specific mechanics of HOW Jesus comes back do vary from NAR group to NAR group--some believe it's a critical mass before an actual physical Second Coming (where they get yeeted up to Heaven for seven years, wait out the Tribulation, then come back down as God Rambos

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon and pretty much (along with General Jesus) wipe out everyone save for the 144,000 Jewish people who apparently convert post-Rapture (and who also eventually get yeeted, along with God's Own Army, to a new heaven and earth),

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon but apparently this can't happen unless a Critical Mass of people get converted before they get to defictionalize the Left Behind books and particularly "Glorious Appearing".

Another segment of the NAR believes in a "Corporate Christ",

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon which is to say that apparently they can effectively summon Christ himself or "Christ Consciousness", and thus become LITERAL Sons and Daughters of God.

The one thing that both factions can agree on is some...interesting interpretations of Scripture with Bad Implications

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Because both of these factions, and a lot of non-NAR Christian Nationalists, also believe in "dispensationalism" and specifically the concept that specific countries can be chosen as, well, God's Chosen Countries To Cleanse and Purify the World from Teh Evulz.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon And the ONE thing they can agree on is that *somehow* both the US *and* Israel are "Chosen Nations", but that's actually contingent on both of these countries being *literally genocidal theocracies* that purge everyone who's the Wrong Religion.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon And it's believed that a Properly Theocratic Country will have all manner of blessings and outpourings and that it will prosper beyond all things as long as it's theocratic and kills the shit out of anything that might corrupt.

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon This has led to such things as people taking around garden sprayers full of Wesson oil around Colorado Springs (and in my own town) trying to "name and claim" areas and exorcise "territorial spirits" they believe are causing shit like gang violence and poverty,

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon and more and more, this "cleansing" also involves literally attacking and purging the people who are seen as "working with Satan" and "practicing witchcraft and perversions".

And you get shit like BLM being attacked as Satanists,

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon and Pride Parades and pretty much literally any outward expression of LGBTQIA identity attacked especially if kids are in earshot, and calls to ban CRT (because again, it's a reminder that systemic racism exists and it has an ongoing effect of harm,

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon and one of the things that Christian Nationalist groups have tried Very, Very Hard to do is "reconciliation" which means "sweep the horrors of the Confederacy and white supremacy under the carpet, we're good now because JESUS, see?"...that is...

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon That is, when they're not engaging in "Lost Causeism" and literally claiming Lincoln did an Unlawful Act by telling them they couldn't secede and musing that African-Americans were happier on the plantation before all that messy Civil Rights stuff and besides they got Jesus

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Like, I'm seriously not kidding about this, and this is FAR before we get into the whole subject of "Christian Nationalist curricula" of the sort used in "Christian homeschooling" and your least favourite segregation academies

dailykos.com/stories/2006/1…

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon So. I've written 72 tweets on this, let's review.

We're dealing with a literally violent cult, with a history of violence, and also a healthy history of actual historical revisionism (including a particular variety of Holocaust denial *and* American historical revisionism

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon as well as literal Confederacy historical revisionism (theguardian.com/us-news/2018/a… and salon.com/2018/10/06/7-t… for just a start)

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon Now. Historically (and honestly pretty much pick any history book that's not written by A-Beka or Bob Jones University or ACE/School of Tomorrow and is from a Reputable Source), it has been a bit of a pattern that actual religio-nationalist groups of this sort

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@DrSwordopolis @ScholarlySpoon not only do not engage in hostage exchanges, but they also do not tend to restrict their religious crusades to their own country.

To put 75 tweets succintly:

No. They will *not* let their liberals and LGBTQIA folks and African-Americans go to the US.

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