We’re voting on whether or not to use our voting device or a voice vote in the vote in Bryan Chapell.
🙄 #pcaga
The permanent committee speaks in favor of Bryan Chapell after one speech raised an issue about Chapell’s service on the SJC while he was preparing to serve as our stated clerk. #pcaga
We’re now discussing protecting the PCA trademark. I don’t really understand what this is about.
🤷♂️ #pcaga
Now there is a protest being introduced by @JeridEvan on (I think) the Dan Herron case.
The chair has said we’re past that item and is conferring with the parliamentarians. Further a protest can only be lodged by the SJC.
So he is not being allowed to speak. #pcaga
The ruling of the chair has been challenged. Dr. Taylor is now explaining the ruling. #pcaga
The chair has been sustained and the objection is out of order. #pcaga
Now we are on to Overtures after singing a hymn. Buckle up. #pcaga
The intention of the OC chairman is to handle about 34 overtures that had overwhelming support with one vote. #pcaga
Overture 29 has been requested to be pulled out of the omnibus vote. #pcaga
Despite the overwhelming majority vote on O29, we're getting a floor speech to recommitt. #pcaga
Motion to recommit fails. Back to the main motion to answer in the affirmative as amended. #pcaga
Greg Johnson is speaking against answering in the affirmative as amended. He calls it redundant and says he agrees with the whole thing but thinks we have spoken to this issue too often without the other side. #pcaga
GA votes to affirm O29 as amended (1922-200). The proposed changes to the BCO now go to the presbyteries. #pcaga
We are now on to the omnibus motion.
That motion caries: O2021-19, 2021-20, 2021-21,2021-34, 2021-35, 2, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 13,14,16,17, and more...I missed quite a few.
RE Jay Niekirk speaks for the committee on O2021-40 to be answered in the affirmative as amended.
It deals with protection of abuse victims in cases.
The OC agreed there is more to do, but this was a start & changes we felt we needed to try and make immediately. #pcaga
This O allows courts to make accomodations to normal case process that enables victims to avoid being in the presence of an alleged abuser & to use videoconferencing where an alleged victim does not need to see the face of the alleged abuser. #pcaga
Further, the accomodations protect minors from being cross examined verbally and allows courts to use written questions for cross examination. #pcaga
These accomodations were advised by the AIC report on abuse. The OC worked with a representative from that committee report, Dr. Tim LeCroy, to make sure the OC amendments had their support. #pcaga
Overture 2021-40 as amended passes overwhelming by voice vote. #pcaga
Now O2021-41 which deals with whether or not a witness must believe in God or a future system of rewards and punishments.
The OC recommends we refer this to the next GA.
The reason: there was opposition to striking this requirement but ppl want to find a proper solution. #pcaga
It is vitally important to find a way to receive witnesses that do not believe in God, but there are some concerns that need to be addressed.
We'll look at O41 before lunch since there is no minority report on this O. #pcaga
The recommendation from OC is to postpone indefinitely b/c there is no way to answer this without giving the wrong idea. It is a poorly worded O w/ confusing "whereas" statements. #pcaga
A couple of speeches wanting us to condemn "CRT."
Niekirk gives a wonderful reply that the best answer is not to answer but to postpone indefinitely.
We're back in session and on to O15.
The OC recommends answering in reference to O29 which was passed in the affirmative as amended. #pcaga
The minority report for O15 is now being presented.
RE Matt Fender of James River Presbytery is arguing that we answer in the affirmative as amended. #pcaga
The OC chairman is back at the podium for a rebutal to the minority report. In 5 minutes we'll have debate on the floor. #pcaga
I’m checking out a bit since I was on overtures and can’t enter debate. I won’t be giving any more play by play.
To those interested in meeting in person, I’m in the back of the assembly hall. #pcaga
Ok, we’re on to O26 on the statement against political violence.
I’m for this O w/ the minority report to answer in the affirmative as amended. We already spoke to the gov abt abortion, so arguments abt the spirituality of the church for an O speaking to our ppl hits flat. #pcaga
This O is not political but biblical & more addressed to the church. @scottpseaton
A 🧵with insights from Carl Trueman in his excellent book, "The Creedal Imperative," written particularly for those in non-creedal traditions (ie. evangelicals, Baptists, Brethren, etc.) fond of saying "No creed but the Bible."
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1) On Creeds & Confessions
"All churches and all Christians have a creed or a confession...When asked by friends what the Bible teaches, we all try to offer a synthesis, a summary of what the Bible says. And as we move from biblical text to theological statement, we offer..."
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"...what is, in terms of content, something akin to a creed or confession. Then, if we reflect honestly on how we read the Bible, we will acknowledge that what we think the Bible teaches as a whole will shape how we understand individual verses, chapters, and books..."
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If you're a credobaptist b/c no one can show you an place or example in the Bible where an infant is baptized, then you also must deny communion to women based on the same interpretive principle given we have no explicit example of that practice either.
If you're a credobaptist b/c you think all the examples of baptism in the NT are of people who hear the gospel, believe, and profess faith, don't forget that the focus of the NT is on the conversion of Gentiles & don't forget abt household baptisms. God often saves by household.
If you're a credobaptist b/c you think baptism is a way you publicly proclaim your faith and identify with Jesus, please understand that God's covenant signs & seals have always been primarily abt God communicating his promises to us who are to receive them by faith.
Despite the appearance, the Baptist's primary error is in anthropology, not ecclesiology & sacraments.
What began as an important corrective to the state church resulted in an incorrect view of the individual & then further errors abt the church.
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In the late medieval state churches of Europe, citizens & church members were one & the same. This was an ecclesial error that led to many problems, one of which was the failure of the church to discipline its members. The church is the community of faith, but if every...
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...citizen is baptized & therefore a church member, but if few, if any at all, are ever excommunicated, then the church ceases to be the community of faith.
It's here the Baptists rightly objected. One is not, by virtue of national citizenship, born into the church. However...
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The disagreement is not over whether or not this is ok to do but whether or not any use of “gay” (or like terms) as a personal descriptor is a statement of identity.
The report urges caution in this sort of terminology, but leaves it open to ppl to exercise wisdom.
So 2) many Nos don’t disagree that caution on terminology is needed, but we don’t believe this counsel should be made into a universal standard of prohibition in our BCO b/c there are contexts where this terminology may be used to describe a persons experience, not identity.
With the unofficial but apparent failure of Overtures 23 & 37, it’s time for us in the PCA to both rejoice & lament, perhaps for different reasons, and to renew & pursue unity in spirit & action.
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Personally, I’m glad these Os failed. As many of you know, I think they were poorly written, ill-conceived, contrary to the sexuality report, & likely damaging to our witness & ability to avoid frivolous cases in our courts.
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Yet I also lament where we are & how we’ve interacted & debated the Overtures. I’m sad this was the approach over half our presbyteries felt was necessary. I grieve the distrust & the behavior that has fueled distrust.
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