Thread by @ErrataRob

Repeating unproven charges of election fraud harms our country.

Repeating unproven charges of election fraud harms our country.

Repeating unproven charges of election fraud harms our country.

lostnotstolen.org

1. There's no evidence of mass fraud (rules violations). Lindell's "Absolute 9-0" and D'Souza's "2000 Mules" showed no evidence, only made claims without evidence.

2. There is evidence of small problems here and there, such as individuals handing in votes for dead relatives. It's same level as every election, by both parties, and no evidence of anything that would swing an election.

3. Legislatures authorize state and county authorities to run elections, who in turn create rules. Sometimes those rules may be overturned by courts (e.g. Wisconsin). The votes under those rules were still the legal votes, and they can't/won't be thrown out or overturned.

4. Republicans have legitimate concerns about how elections are run. I don't mean to endorse their concerns, or their opponents, only to point out that reasonable people disagree on such important matters.

5. But no concern legitimately challenges a PAST election, only FUTURE election. You can legitimately challenge the rules for an election before votes are cast, but not afterwards, otherwise you deprive honest voters of their right to vote.

6. This is precisely what Trump tried. Instead of challenging various absentee/mail rules before the election, he told his supporters not to use them. He then tried after the election to have those votes thrown out.

7. Trump supporters seem awful convinced there's evidence, but they fail to produce any. Instead, they point to websites that contain tons of debunked claims, like "more votes than registered voters" or "suitcases of votes pulled out after watchers told to leave".

7b. I point out that last bit because these sites keep adding new unsubstantiated claims faster than they can be fact checked and debunked. An easy way to test their honesty is whether they keep citing past debunked claims.

8. "Evidence" is something where you know what it means, which shows a clear problem.
"Conspiracy theory" is things you don't understand, where the only explanation you can come up with is the conspiracy.

https://twitter.com/TrumpWasHere/status/1339044104341245954

8b. Since they can't find actual evidence, Trump supporters have instead kept hunting for things they can't explain, claiming it's "proof". But the reason they don't understand is because they are stupid/ignorant, not because conspiracy.

8c. It's like that analysis of Dominion Software on the Mesa County system image. The "computer experts" keep pointing to things they don't understand as proof of a conspiracy. I'm a better expert, and can explain most of those things.

9. A stolen election is so incredibly important that it's a travesty to withhold evidence of it. It shouldn't be skeptics like myself who demand Lindell and D'Souza show the evidence they claim to have, it should be Trump supporters demanding that evidence be made public.

9b.
Lindell in his "Absolute 9-0" videos claims to have "pcaps" showing hackers flipping votes throughout the country.

D'Souza/TTV in "2000 Mules" claim to have GPS records and videos showing widespread ballot harvesting.

They refuse to make their claimed evidence available.

10. Claims of a stolen election, without proof, harms our republic. Those doing this should be condemned. Patriots wouldn't harm our country this way -- it makes them the opposite of patriots.

11.
Q: How can it be that Trump didn't have "standing" to challenge fraudulent votes?
A: Because he didn't bring such a case to the courts challenging fraudulent votes. He brought cases challenging legitimate votes.

https://twitter.com/RedOpsJames/status/1547695674988175369

11b. A better, detailed answer would look into the specifics of each case. This last tweet is just a summary: Trump was trying to throw out legitimate, legally cast votes, trying to deprive millions of citizens of their right to vote.

12.
Patriots have evidence.

Non-patriots have theories.

13. As for ad hominem attacks that I believe the media or the Steele nonsense, both are false.

Two years ago, I'm the expert who PROVED that at least some of the Hunter Biden laptop story was TRUE.

https://twitter.com/Imthatguypal20/status/1547691599731167241

13b. And six years ago I debunked that Alfa-Trump connection pushed by the Democrats.

If there were evidence of election fraud, I'd be the first to support such evidence. I'm not pro-Trump or pro-Biden, I'm a centrist who is pro-evidence.
blog.erratasec.com/2016/11/debunk…

14. And I'm Patriot who believes in defending the Republic from all threats foreign and domestic. Those claiming a stolen election WITHOUT EVIDENCE are a domestic threat.

15. These are among the legitimate concerns Republicans have. They had plenty of time to challenge these rules BEFORE the election. They instead tried to wait until AFTER the election to have the votes of honest citizens thrown out.

https://twitter.com/Pimpernell13/status/1547699907573624835

15b. Those are legitimate concerns. But they show how it's the Republicans who tried to steal the election, not Democrats. Instead of legitimate challenges before election, Trump told his supporters to avoid them and tried to have them thrown out after the election.

15c. Every Republican who brings up these issues needs to be challenge with "then why didn't you challenge them before the election?" There was plenty of time to bring court challenges before the election.

16. Yes, Trump appeared to be ahead the night before the election and then Biden appeared ahead when people woke up the next morning.

Because Trump told his supporters not to vote by mail. And mail-in votes were counted after the election day.

16b. Here is is their strategy:
1. First, Trump tells supporters not to vote by mail.
2. Second, express surprise that mail-in votes favored Biden.

17. Vote counting stopped at various times election night and resumed at various times in the morning according to rules setup in various counties/states before the election.

There was no abnormal/suspicious stopping of counting.

https://twitter.com/CaseyHo46088134/status/1547711365057429504

17b. This is how you know something is deeply wrong with Trump supporters. It's so trivially debunked, yet even the Republican leaders (including Trump) continue to make the claim.

18. Let's assume the claims are true that the election was stolen:

Not providing proof of the election fraud harms our country.

Not providing proof of the election fraud harms our country.

Not providing proof of the election fraud harms our country.

https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/1547685406618963969

18b. There are so many responses to this thread from Trump supporters who clearly haven't heard the message. The message is that making claims WITHOUT EVIDENCE harms the country. This is true whether or not it's actually true that the election was stolen.

18c. There's good reason to believe they are false, because of this lack of evidence. But if they are true, it's still problematic making all these claims without evidence. If Lindell and D'Souza have the evidence they claim, they harm American by keeping it secret.