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Sep 20, 2022 18 tweets 4 min read Read on X
If anyone would like to point out where this comparison/example fails, let me know.

I will use cis terms just for brevity's sake, but many inclusive scenarios are just as accurate.

A woman invites a man on a date. She invites him back to her place.

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She initiates sex. She absolutely wants to have sex. The man wants it, too. He accepts and consents back. This is consensual sex.

There is no aggression. There are no unwanted actions. It is an intimate, caring situation. She is enjoying it.

And then change her mind.

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Consensual sex requires the active consent of both parties. Thus, the withdraw of consent by ONE makes it nonconsensual. There is no longer two-way consent. It is instantly nonconsensual sex. It is instantly, technically, rape now.

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Importantly, "why" she changed her mind is irrelevant.

IRRELEVANT.

No one, not even the man involved, gets to request an explanation, gets to complain "but I wasn't...," or "but I don't understand."

This is how CONSENT works.

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The giver of the consent is in control. The man does not have to "consent" back that the sex is over. He cannot claim he "didn't receive her withdraw of consent."

The woman's withdraw of consent - which is, at heart, simply a state of mind, is ALL that matters.

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Also note, in this scenario, we don't discuss whether the man "chose" to violate her. It is irrelevant. The man could have zero ill intent. Like I said, he could have done zero "wrong," by any external measure.

CONSENT gives the woman complete control to decide it's over.

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In addition, the end result MUST be that the unwanted action regarding her body stop. If she says, "stop touching me," he must stop. If she says, "get your penis out of me," it must come out. Our current system of ethics does NOT have a place where that is questioned.

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This is how BODILY AUTONOMY works in tandem with consent. Let me repeat:

All she has to do is change her mind, and communicate what bodily violation she has withdrawn consent for, and our ethics dictate THAT IT ENDS.

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The "how" it comes to an end has possibilities. The "what" must come to an end DOES NOT. The violation of her body must end.

As a practical matter, because that man is an actual autonomous, sentient person, he can be communicated with.

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She can say "stop," and that should work. It may not.

Maybe they speak different languages.

She can push him away, and that should work. It may not.

Maybe he thinks it's playful "hard to get."

She can yell and scream, and that should work. It may not.

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He may somehow misconstrue it as pleasure.

She can then hit, injure, punch, scratch, and that should work. It may not.

What would NOT do here, in our CURRENT system of ethics and laws, is to say, "well, his health is more important, you can't hurt him to get him off you."

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Our current system of ethics and laws prioritizes that woman's bodily autonomy, and her authority to have consent over it, above that man's right to not be injured...and yes, even over his right to life.

She can ethically, legally KILL HIM if that's what it takes.

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Every single part of this can be directly analogous to pregnancy.

A woman can participate in consensual sex. She can even avoid birth control and hope to get pregnant. She can get pregnant and initially be happy.

And then change her mind.

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The ZEF inside her doesn't have to consent back. It doesn't matter if it "chose" to be there.

If she says, "I don't want to be pregnant," the violation must end.

That's how consent and bodily autonomy works.

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Because that ZEF is NOT an autonomous, sentient human being, there is no option to ask it, communicate with it, or anything.

Because that ZEF is inextricably intertwined with her internal organs, there is no option to coax it out gently.

There is one option: abortion

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Just like with the original analogy, that doesn't change the fact that the violation MUST END. And just like with the original analogy, we do not prioritize someone else's (alleged) "right to life" over her rights to her body. We don't say, "well, you can only end it if..."

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Anti-abortion is wholly INCONSISTENT with our currently practiced system of ethics and laws when it comes to consent and bodily autonomy.

Abortion is healthcare.

Abortion is a person's right.

#prochoice, with NO exceptions, is the only consistent position.

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Oct 28, 2023
A basic little lesson for anti-choice apologists:

"can/can't" - this refers to two potential meanings:

1) physical ability: simply perform some act or not

or

2) permissibility: whether some governing body will allow me or not

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If your abortion argument is, "you can't kill your unborn baby!" you're wrong, on both counts:

1) of course, it is physically possibly to get an abortion (what you dipshits call "killing a baby")

and

2) it is permissible

So, "you can't abort" is FALSE.

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Part two of our lesson is on "should/shouldn't."

These statements are desired future aspirations, nothing more.

"You shouldn't be able to kill your unborn baby."

Ok, and? I currently CAN, so what's your argument that - in the future - I "shouldn't" be able to?

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Today's thread will be about 'preventing abortions.' A common pro-choice point is that abortion bans will not prevent abortions, only safe/legal abortions. This is absolutely true, but it rings a bit hollow without some context.

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One could say this about any law/restriction, and an easily common one is guns, so let's dive in:

Why are gun bans advocated for? Super simply, to stop people from being shot. Let's work with that snippet.

True, if NO guns are available, no one can be shot.

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Hold off on the practicality of actually eliminating gun availability...it IS theoretically possible. By that I mean, we're not suspending known laws of physics or anything and, more importantly, the image it evokes is still a 'normal world.' What do I mean?

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ATTN anti-choicers:

Let's step back from your raging lack of actual substantive, consistent reasons for denying someone the right to an abortion for a sec.

Let's look at the manner in which you'd have to go about implementing your restrictions/bans:

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Be honest: you're all in the same group of the "they're coming for you, they want to take your...., they're trying to implant the 5g trackers in your..." camps. We know it. Big on privacy, aren't ya?

Ok, let's start at the end first:

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Somehow, you're in the room right when an abortion is about to take place. How'd you get there?

You say, "well, we heard that the mother's life may be in danger, so we're here to see to what degree..."

Ok. How'd you get that information?

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Good golly, forced birthers:

"Getting pregnant" != "staying pregnant"

I can't think of a single salient pro-choice point that doesn't focus on whether or not someone is going to STAY pregnant.

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Y'all keep going on and on about GETTING pregnant, and every statement you make about it, is not just often patently ignorant, it's irrelevant.

"I mean...you had sex, what did you think was going to happen!??!"

NO ONE is surprised that sex led to pregnancy.

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This misogynistic bs that somehow woman are like fresh out of the 1730s and unaware how sex works. They know.

It is foreseeable. They know.

It can still be UNEXPECTED.

An expert skier may still break their leg one day.

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A thread on "the baby doesn't intend to harm you!"

Say John's partner, Kate, enjoys having John insert a particular object into a particular bodily orifice of hers (which object, which orifice, is irrelevant).

When John does this for Kate, it is consensual and pleasurable.

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John and Kate are together for a long period. Every single time John does this act for Kate, she consents and enjoys it. To John, doing this act is equivalent to pleasuring his partner.

But now John and Kate break up.

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John and Claire are now together.

They have consensual sex.

John has the thought of performing the same act on Claire that he did with Jane, His intent is entirely honest, entirely NOT to harm, or cause discomfort. His intent is pure, so to speak.

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A thread on bodily autonomy and consent - the handshake:

A) John and Bob see each other in a bar, mutually offer their hands to the other in the traditional social sense and shake hands.

B) John sees Bob, grabs his arm, pulls his hand forward, and John grabs Bob's hand.

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Now imagine, John has relaxed his hand, he's no longer gripping and is pulling his arm away.

Bob should also release. He has been given an active sign of the withdraw of consent.

If Bob maintains his grip and does not release, he is violating John's bodily autonomy.

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But wait...I didn't tell you if we were in scenario A or B, right?

Because it doesn't matter. The consent at the start of the situation is irrelevant to how consent works at the time it is withdrawn.

John grabbed Bob's hand without consent in B, but Bob can then consent.

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