*Advanced bedside monitoring in Resp failure*. Opening by Luigi Camporota to a room full of ventilation geeks from Paraguay, Australia, and all across Europe 😜 #LIVES2022
Starting with Luigi on the principles of why we ventilate , and linking with Driving Pressure to ensure lung protection (rather than TV)
1. Oesophageal pressure pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19001507/ but even if no oesophageal ballon 2. Bedside monitoring by clinician of Resp drive and asynchrony (E.g., breath stacking) is useful since high drive ~ VILI #LIVES2022
What I love about this is that it’s part of “your clinical examination and assessment”. *Respiratory Mechanics* - why do we assess ? Because we need to minimise VILI, understand the disease severity and process, evaluate response. And of course “equation of motion”.
P(tot) = elastic components + resistive components + PEEP. Effectively if there’s “movement”, Ptot = Ppeak. And if no movement, Ptot=Pplat
Pip vs Pleatau. If you change flow (in VC mode), you change PIP but not Pplateau. Now Compliance -> Crs = TV/(Pplat-PEEP) for this example 450/(40-25) = 450/15
But bear in mind intrinsic PEEP. (Either visually determines that expiratory flow returns to 0 or measure exp hold ). Now *low flow PV loop*. Demonstrating that PV loop takes into account airway opening pressure. See pic for demonstration
PV loop - standard is if patient is passive. But not necessarily need a muscle relaxant -> manoeuvre can be short and if patient is not making effort then it’s sufficient. #LIVES2022#ventilation#CriticalCare
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NEXT: Corticosteroids in Bacterial pneumonia? By @AntonioTorres Barcelona Spain.
Starting with 30-day mortality of severe CAP is very high. Microbial etiology is Strep pneumoniae, Legionella, Staph aureus, Pseudomonas and Polymicrobial #LIVES2022 #ventilation @ESICM
@AntonioTorres@ESICM anti-inflamm Rx :steroids / macrolides may reduce mortality. Rationale : local and systemic inflammatory responses are increased in CAP, thus "down-regularte" them. Delfi consensus : no recommendation for any CAP but for in icu CAP patients, recommended. #steroids#ards@ESICM
@AntonioTorres@ESICM Rx steroids 0.5mg/kg/12 hr methylpred for 5 days for CAP. However influenza patient -- steroids may increase mortality. What happen also with Macrolides and Steroids combination ? In study : no synergistic effect and no additional improvement. #steroids#cap#ventilation@ESICM
Earlier we learnt the *nuances* of NIV. Next session: Steroids in ARDS. chaired by Annane Djillali and Chiche Jean-Daniel #LIVES2022 #ventilation @ESICM
@ESICM 1. @njuffermans on immune cell interactions in viral pneumonia. Reminder : Innate and Adaptive immunity. big topic so will be a brief overview. Innate Im : goal to illicit cytokine response Granulocytes, macrophages, dendritic cells. Adaptive: T cells CD4 and CD8. #LIVES2022
@ESICM@njuffermans What happens during viral pneumonia ?
- virus causes destruction of natural barriers
- Virus then meets innate immunity "cytokine storm". made popular durn COVID19 but This term is 1st coined in 2005 with H1N1 infection.
NEXT :: how do I select the best PEEp during NIV? Silvia Coppola. It’s a holy grail question. But in spont breathing pts , effects on 1 effort. 2 respiratory muscles 3. Lung units. Etc #LIVES2022#ventilation@ESICM
High level of peep can make lung more homogeneous and reduce diaphragm stretch. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27002273/ but there are 3 drawbacks 1. Neuro mechanical uncoupling
Third question :: GIACOMO Grasselli. “What interface should we use ?” The goal of using NIV is offload Resp muscles. Most patients use mouth to breathe.
Again bringing back the classic Greico ICM 2021 review article on NIV. Helmet - why does it tend to work ? May be asynchronic pressure swings providing asynchronous support. So “IS HELMET better tolerated “?
Next :: Claude Guerin. Covid v non covid and NIV. #LIVES2022#ventilation#NIV@ESICM summarising risk factors for NIV failure - old age, multi organ failure etc. then diving straight into “Happy Hypoxemia”.
Re-visiting H and L phenotypes. Silent or happy hypoxemia. So best to proceed by undertaking in depth literature search
But the evidence tends to suggest covid has higher mortality and is also v heterogeneous.
This is an important question as “harm” from prolong NIV without being able to protect lungs. Assess Tidal volume during NIV. “High TV independent risk factor for NIV failure “. NOT causation but important observation.
Of course Leo comes back to Tonelli article using oesophageal catheter in de novo Resp failure NIV. 😍😍😍this study. Normal 4-5 cmH2o. These patients have very high effort ~20. What’s remarkable is the change in first 2 hours !