Are biomarkers helpful? #LIVES2022

(That’s the question)
Jokes, it isn’t

“Are biomarkers helpful in characterising inflammation V infection?”
The goal is to prevent both under AND over treatment of infection.

As clinicians we have bias
- Tend towards ‘action’
- Over estimate risk of infection
- Over estimate/misattribute improvement (outcome bias)
A meta-analysis has show that value had highest diagnostic calorie for sepsis in adults

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33902476/
At this point the man beside me is clicking all of his upper limb joints progressively in a step wise manner and so I am distracted and missed something about PCT and the surviving sepsis guideline
Now we’re on to this which proposed a candidate to rapidly diagnose CAP on ICU: FAIM3:PLAC8
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26121490/
Speaker then says there are two tests published on genomic expression

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33297498/

And

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29624409/
What do we need to manage the uncertainty? The biomarker needs to be able to correct the clinician’s decision

She points to @msh_manu study and that CRP and PCT were not significant

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30291379/
The cracky knuckle man has now made me get up to let him out
And we’ve moved on to this pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35831640/
And it’s been about fifteen seconds and we’re on to machine learning and bio-markers

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33786999/
And ~ten seconds later, we are already concluding with a call for new study designs that
-repeat tests at a different time point
-use combinations
-or use machine learning
I’m going to close with a plea to #LIVES2022 to give people the time they need to do their talk…or coach them craft it that way

Such wonderful points to be made by picking them up in a meaningful way is often difficult…

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First comes @JAMyburgh with #SuDDICU looking at selective decontamination (SDD) of the digestive tract on hospital mortality

(To know- Aim of SDD is to prevent VAP caused by pathogenic gram negatives organisms and overgrown of fungus from upper GI tract)
The paper is open access here

jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/…

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This is a core part of my day to day and frequent conversation I have with the junior team so interested to listen … Image
So far the audience have been asked four times to move closer to the front. Nobody moves.
The first q is ‘how do you do it’.

Sandroni says Neuron specific enolase (NSE) for 3 days, clinical exam from day 3, EEG starting early…used later, CT is repeated in patients with prolonged unconsciousness and MRI in those that aren’t waking up..

They have protocol on unit
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It’s 16:40 - I’ve come to palliative care session

I *think* (but cannot be sure) that it won’t mention biomarkers

Impressive turnout for such late session. It’s actually nearly full!

#LIVES2022 ImageImage
First speaker Hartog said she’s surprised by the turnout ☺️

She comments that the WHO definition of palliative care (PC) doesn’t mention death

She directs us to concept that it accompanies curative care - then takes overtakes it - and eventually, no even continues after death Image
She points to this paper and graphic.

(You should know now the room is so full that people are standing, which is tiring imagine- but good to see for such an important topic)

link.springer.com/content/pdf/10… Image
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Up next at #LIVES2022

🧠 Optimising Brian perfusion after resuscitation.

This is another debate (read chat, more than debate)

So I’ll try to keep up… Image
It opens by saying we know that 2/3 of unconscious patients in ITU post cardiac arrest die

And most of them die from brain injury

(I’ll use HIE to say hypoxic ischaemic encephalopathy from now)

❓Do we need to improve perfusion to the brain and can it help anyway❓
HIE brains have inflammation, reorganisation and things which alter interaction with systemic circulation.

Robba is surprised that we don’t seem to categorise post arrest brains as other brain injuries and so treat them with the same systematic approach
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Oct 25
🫁 🧬 ARDS in Sepsis - Are biomarkers helpful? #LIVES2022

(The answer for me is - minimally…I rarely have access to them at the beside 🛌 but I presume the answer from JM Constantin has meat to it, so I’m here to listen)
We start here by asking is ARDS due to sepsis the same as that due to peritonitis or pneumonia?

And he has now changed the title to Are biomarkers helpful in ARDS?
Q1 Do we need them for diagnosis?

No- The Berlin criteria does not need them
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One of the useful things about a conference in Europe is the opportunity to understand a breath of socio-cultural perspectives (it’s almost like we’re better together 💁🏻‍♀️🇪🇺)

Anyway, looking forward to this - let’s go
#LIVES2022
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He starts by pointing to this paper

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25581712/
He highlights that there is more agreement for withholding than withdrawing nutrition and that attitude are surprisingly consistent across this large part of the world

He then says that artificial nutrition in Saudia Arabia is more likely to be considered a basic part of care
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